Episode 190: William Balfour Sr. (Part 2 of 2)

0:14 Hello, and welcome to the Catch My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening. My name is Mark. For nearly eight years, I've written a weekly newspaper column about true crimes and missing people to the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio. With the column and podcast, it has been my objective to bring attention to those cases that have not received much media attention, if any at all. This week's story involves the homicide of an elderly Munsee, Indiana grandfather named William Balfour Senior, who was murdered on July two, twenty nineteen. He was seven years old when he was beaten at death and then left on the side of the road. Who killed this elderly grandfather and why. For nearly four years, I've interviewed many people who were seeking justice for family and friends that have been murdered. It's been my experience that criminal activity and lifestyle choices often lead to someone either disappearing or being murdered. But then you have cases where people are murdered for no apparent reason. An elderly grandfather named William Balfour's Senior would be one of those individuals. For this week's episode, I interviewed Consuela Balfour. William Balfour Senior was a retired grandfather. The once he resident

1:51 enjoyed spending time with his children and grandchildren. According to Lushaia and Consuela, William was definitely the family patriot. William's youngest daughter spoke to him daily, cooked meals for him, and did everything she could to make his life comfortable. She was definitely a daddy's girl who has nothing left of her father but fond memories of him. Both sisters took great pride and taking care of their father. They made sure the elderly handicapped man never over exerted himself. He had grandsons and other family members to take care of any physical tasks that needed to be done. His children just wanted to make sure that William enjoyed his retirement, spent time with his family and friends, and relaxed. Before eleven PM on July first, twenty nineteen, Lasha face timed her father. He then changed into his pajamas before getting ready for bed. Unfortunately, he wouldn't be getting any rest that evening. William's daughter, Consula, said that a female friend had shown up at the house and said ride home. William got out of bed and left with this friend. Family members said that the trip to her home should not have taken very long. William had often given her rides in the past, so the request wasn't suspicious. A few hours later, Leacheya's son became concerned when his grandfather had not returned home. He had

3:22 to call the friend because his grandfather had left his phone at home. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to speak to his grandfather's friend because she did not answer her phone. The next morning, the family discovered that William's two thousand and one Lincoln had been corden off by law enforcement. His vehicle had become a crime scene. William, still in his pajamas, was discovered outside his vehicle at Blaine and Centennial. Someone had beaten the elderly grandfather to death. His skull was bashed in and his teeth were all knocked out. The beating was violent and fatal. Family members were stunned by William's death. No one could understand why anyone would want to kill the elderly man. Everyone loved him and he had no known enemies. The family also noticed that the friend who was with William was not at the crime scene. Consuela got into her vehicle and searched for the friend. She found the friend walking down a road. Consuela picked her up and drove her to the Munzi police station. According to Consuela and Laschia, law enforcement let the friend leave without filing any charges against her.

4:39 Consuela then began investigating her father's death on her own. She spoke with a witness who lived with her father's friend. According to him, the woman came home upset. She allegedly had blood on her clothing and had defecated on herself. According to the witness, the friend said that she had just murdered someone. She then recanted her statement and said that she was only kidding after cleaning herself up. He said that she left in a hurry when she made this statement. The man that lived with the friend had not known about William being killed. He presented Consuela with an article of bloody clothing that belonged to the friend. Law enforcement refused to accept the evidence because they weren't the ones who had seized it. I had asked both sisters why law enforcement didn't arrest her father's friend. Both said that she claimed that she did not know anything about their father's death. According to her, he must have been killed after he drove her home. However, this contradicts the witness's statement, who said she came home upset with blood on her clothing. The witness said that she was frantic and was in a hurry to leave. Four years have passed since someone brutally beat William Balfour Senior to death. Consuela has photographs of her father's beaten body. According to her, she has refused to let other family members

6:12 see the photos because she feels that they are too brutal. The family is frustrated with the investigation and have requested that the Munsey Police Department transfer the case to the Indiana State Police. They believe that the Indiana State Police would be better suited to work on their father's case. Family members believe that William's friend knows more about his death than she's ever revealed. This is the conclusion of a two part story. If you haven't already listened to the first half, please go back and take a listen, and now on with the story of William Balfourt Senior, as told by his daughter Consuela. So tell me about your father. William Balfour senior. When in where was he born. He was born in Mundsey on April seventeenth of nineteen forty nine. He had three brothers and he had five sisters. Actually, because one died when he was young. My father was the middle of the three brothers. His parents died when he was young, So I really don't know a whole lot about my grandparents because they were defeats when I was born. He was raised by a family member and grew up, you know, by his auntie that raised him and two other sisters. The other siblings were raised by a different aunt So my father he grew up, graduated from high school, and he started working

7:46 at General Motors, where he retired from. So he met my mom, they got married and had four kids, myself as the oldest. I had two brothers and a sister. It sounds like you're father lived a pretty good life. I mean General Motors back in the day, that was definitely a great place to work. Your dad came up in the days where you could get a job right out of high school, make good money and stay there and actually retire. Yeah, and that's what he did. He retired from General Motors. So, like I said, he raised four kids, and once he retired, he just was at home. Him and my mom ended up divorcing though when I was around fifteen, so but they end up remaining still cordial, close friends. He's still holidays, we still sent together things like that. There was no animosity where both our parents was not around at some holiday or something. They were generally around. People thought it was trained for the time because my mom ended up getting remarried, but Dad still was always welcoming around. So as life went on, we all grew up and had grandkids and things like that. My dad he worked on cars, always working in the yard. He loved to cook on the grill. On the holiday, we would go to my mother's and then my mom ended up passing in two thousand ten, so then them, like all the family events went

9:16 to my dad's house, and so we would always go to his house where the holiday. He was well known in our community. They know him as mister Balfour. He helped whoever he could help. Like I said, he worked on his cards. He would see him at Autos oone getting some kind of part, or at Walmart buying's pop. He loved pipsy, so that's what he did. He drink a lot of pippy, and he worked on cars, worked in the yard, or cooked on the grill. He didn't party, he didn't drink anything like that. He was lips in his family and his grandkids is what he did. And while I was doing research on this case, I was looking at different theories online about why someone would have wanted to harm your father, and one of the theories that I saw was connected to one of his grandsons. I guess one of your nephews was on trial for homicide or something along those lines. But it was serious legal issues, and supposedly your father was killed in retaliation of something that his grandson had done. Do you think there's anything to that? I know it's just someone's theory, but what do you think about that? Okay? So I had two nephews who had got in some trouble and the victim, my father's African American first, and my family is the victim of the case with my nephews

10:46 was a white victim, a young white male. And what we were told is that this family has connections in Munsti. And we was told that when my nephew went to trial, he basically had a hung jury and they were furious. People were upset about my nephew getting a hung jury. They had basically placed an attorney on his case that they thought was not going to give a care and was not going to fight for my nephew, and this attorney fought his hell off and it was a hung jury. So the day that my father was murdered was the anniversary of that victim of that case. My father was killed on the anniversary of the victim of my nephew's case. We were sent a message by someone in the community that a police officer and Monkey had told them And I don't know the police officer's name, I didn't know the person that came to us that there was a letter sent to Monkey police that said there will be another one killed. When we contacted the police, they were were so worried about what police officer told us that the fact that if there was a really a letter or not out there that came to them, they want to know who told us and which police officer more or less not telling us if it really was a letter out there or not, because at the time we're thinking, Okay, my father's then got killed. On

12:18 this guy. Day of his death of his anniversary. Now we're being told that someone else in my family better be careful because someone else is going to be taken out. So we felt like it had something to do with that case. Now, what kind of a relationship did your dad have with his nephews? Was he close to them? Those were his grandson? Oh okay, my apologies, his grandsons. Can you tell me about their relationship? Yeah, that was his grandson, and the one grandson is the third. His name is actually William Balfo, the third. So my dad was William Balfo, the senior, and those was his grandkids. So yeah, he was close to them. Okay, Now I'd like to go back to the day that you found out that someone had killed your father. Tell me what you remember about that day. My sister had called me and said my dad hadn't been home all night, had left to give. We had a family friend that my dad knew for over twelve thirteen years. The lady. My dad helped her quite a bit. Her kids had been in trouble a few times. He let them stay with them, They came over, they came to our family functions, things like that. Later in life, the lady ended up getting on drugs at one point, but still we allowed them come around. We didn't act funny. We still helped when we can help.

13:46 The same person was over my house. It was like Father's Day, the holiday before my dad got killed. She was just at our house eating dinner and she there. She came over that night and asked my dad to give her a ride. My dad got out the bed, My nephew and my brother was there. He ended up getting out the bed to go give her a ride wherever she quote said she needed to go, and I was at home sleep. I didn't know he got to go give anybody a ride. The next morning I'll find out he had got up and gave her a ride and never came at home. So when I got the call, I WoT my son daughter had called off. Everybody left. He don't know where Dad is because he just didn't stay out like all night. He was seven years old, you know, he didn't love those staying now where he had one house and we were searching and got a call that his car was on the side of a road out here in the dominant black neighborhood. His car was out there and the police was called and it was roped off. By the time I got there, and my dad was laying outside of the car.

14:52 He still had his pajamas one and he was laying outside behind the car, and the police was there, and it roped off and he was deceased, and you know, we're just like, what happened? Where's the lady? Where is she at? He less to give her a ride, the police officanding around, is like, I don't know. I still remember. The prosecutor was there and I'll never forget. He came up to me talking about, well, what do you think happen? And I'm thinking, in my mind, what are you asking me? What do I think happen? You're freaking supposed to be the specialist. You see his body, What do you think happen? I don't know. I was just so angry. But come to find out, she was nowhere to be found. And the police told us that it looked like had been killed by trauma, blunt force or something, and they was asking us do we know if he had any objects in the car that someone could have hurt him with, and like, no, he doesn't have anything in this car, no hits and all that stuff.

16:00 So after all of that, I left the scene eventually and my siblings we all left the scene going to look for this woman and I end up finding her walking down the street and I called police to tell him I found her. Here is the woman that got my dad out of the house that night. And they was like, don't do anything to her, we're on our way or whatever, and I'm like, no, she's right here. She's getting in my car with me and I'm bringing her to you guys. And so I got her in the car. She didn't want again, and I told her, she you're gonna get in this car because you're going down here to tell him what happened to my dad. And took her down to the police station and they met us there and told us to stay in the car while they got her out the car. And it is and then we find out that they let her go, like an hour or two hours after she was there. They let her go because she said she didn't know what happened to my father and she didn't have anything to do with it. And I'm thinking, when can someone that last seen a person alive just tell you they didn't have anything to do with it and you just let them go. Where do they do that at I don't understand that. So long story short.

17:14 After all of that, we end up finding out when I've seen her walking, she was going to this man's house, and I end up getting a call that she was going to his house, and I went over there to talk to him, and he told me that she had came over there early in the wee hours and said she had just witnessed the murder and he was going to call the police, and that this woman said, no, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Don't call the police. So he didn't call the police. But she changed her clothes and worshed them, and his worsher and dry and she worshed her clothes, are changed clothes, that she had a bow movement on herself, and she had he thought looked like maybe blood or something. But she changed clothes and he had gave her some clothes to put on. His first name is Wayne, he said when he did call the police to tell him that there was a jacket outside his house and that it's possibly could be blood on it, they telling him that they did not need that item because it did not have nothing to do with their investigation, so they wouldn't even go collect the jacket that he thought she might have threw outside his house with blood on the jacket, so he contacted my family against I went over there and I called the detectives, and I even got text message from the detectives. They told me that I can go get the jacket and put it in the bag and bring it the city hall to them, and I end up doing that, not knowing that once I did that, it made that evidence could not be actually used because I could have possibly

18:45 placed blood on it or something of that nature, so that would avoid that item. But I didn't know. But this is what we were dealing with the police. They wasn't trying to get any evidence or anything. And you let this woman go, and you got a man that fancy came through his house saying she had just witnessed the murder, and you let her go. And what we end up finding out is after they let her go, they knew she was leaving town. They didn't tell us. We end up finding out later that she had a ticket to leave on the Greyhound bus and they knew she was gonna leave, So she ended up leaving town. And then we found out more evidence, like she was at a man's house Prior to going to my dad's to ask for a ride, someone called her on her phone and the man said that she would saying my father's name, and she had someone pick her up from his house and take her to my dad's house.

19:44 Which is strange. Why would you have someone call you and you tell him on my dad's name, and then you go to my dad and say you need a ride when you actually was in a car with someone. It just it didn't make sense to It was like, what's going on if she had a ride and she left this man's house in a car, but then she goes to my dad's house and asked for a ride, And she didn't stab my dad's house like she was there visiting for a few minutes and then needed to ride. She literally come over there and knocked on the be where my nephew said, asked for a ride, and my dad got up and they left. So why have somebody bring you there to get a ride. And then it just didn't add up, and she did leave her house her curse at the man's house where she was on a phone act. He said she left her purse and her cell phone and told him to continue to answer her phone. All night. If it rings, just don't talk, just answer it and hang up. And we told the police this, do you know it took them five to six months to ever go get this man's statement.

20:45 They would not go get his statement. We kept calling him, kept calling him. I kept going over to his house, asked him how they been there. They would not go to this man's statement. It took him like five months. I have notes like in a documentation that we keep it. It took them start a month. It's like the police would not go collect evidence. So at this time we start thinking, what is the police covering up? You refused to go investigate my father's murder. This is a seventy year old man that his left hand did not work because of a pinched nerves, so he couldn't use his left hand that much, and so here he is murdered. And at the time we didn't know how bad he was murdered. But when we had my father's funeral and the funeral home had took it up on their self because they seen the injury on my father and they couldn't believe how bad my father was. A beat whoever killed my father they used something and busted his head so that explained why the police asked us about something in his car that could have caused a fracture to it, you know, something of that nature. The funeral home end up giving me pictures, and I end up seeing the pictures, but come to find out, they bust my father's skull open. He's seventy years he had never lost the tooth.

22:00 Be the proud of himself cause his dinner's always told him he had drown teeth to be an old, older man and never lost the tooth. They knocked out almost all my father's keep out of his mouth. They broke his eye socket, and they choked him so strong that his collar bone busted through his shoulder. And you tell me, the police don't let us I know who did this. That's over till of a seventy year old defenseless man, and they won't help us. We asked them, and I feel like again we go back to my nephew case. They're pissed off about my nephew in that situation, and because you pissed off about that, you refuse to do your job on my father's case. And it just pisses me off. And then the way my cap father's card was pulled over to the side of the road. We were like, why would that he even pull over like that?

22:52 Did the police pull him over? Is it possible that the police is involved, because we also end up finding out that we have police officers now if you google it and find out Chase Linkle being the main lead police officer and his father was the chief of police for this story. I wanted to understand why Consula fought that a Munsey police officer might have beaten her father or been involved with his death, because I had read in some different articles online that the family had questioned whether law enforcement was involved or not. So I wanted to learn more about former Munsey police officer Chase Swinkle. I was able to find information about him on the United States Department of Justice website, and I wanted to read some of the information that I found out about this guy.

23:48 Chase Swinkle, a former police officer with the Munsey Police Department and Munsey, Indiana, played guilty today to eleven civil rights and obstruction charges. Specifically, Winkle plead guilty to five federal civil rights offenses for assaulting arrestees and to six obstruction offenses for writing false reports to cover up the assaults. Officer Winkle, the son of a former chief of police, confessed to repeated uses of excessive force and obstruction of justice, said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clark of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. This defendant's misconduct injured his victims and undermined the police department's credibility with the community. We hope that this guilty police sends a message that neither a badge our familial connections will shield an officer from facing justice for his wrongdoing. Today's guilty police are an important step forward as we seek justice for the victims in this case, said US Attorney Zachary A. Myers for the Southern District of Indiana. Our office, the Department of Justice, and our federal partners are firmly committed to holding law enforcement officers accountable when they violate their oaths and the civil rights of the people they were sworn to protect.

25:10 According to court documents and statements made during the change of play hearing Honor, about August ninth, twenty eighteen, Winkle and another officer arrested a civilian identified as LG. As LG was lying on the ground with the other officer holding both of LG's hands behind his back. LG directed a verbal insult towards the officers. In response to the insult, Officer Winkle, using his knee, dropped his full body weight down onto LG's neck and head area. LG screamed out in pain and yelled that Winkle had crushed his face. A few moments later, Winkle deployed taser prongs and to LG's back and activated the taser.

25:56 Officer Winkle's use of force caused severe bodily injury to LG and multiple facial fractures that required surgery. Following the incident, Winkle wrote a false report about what happened. Based on what I've read about Winkle in the time this was going on, it's not difficult to understand why can Swiler's family has concerns about the police department and why they want the investigation being handled by the Indiana State Police. They had been going through monthly beaten up people and beating people with their police stick. There's charges of them using assessed courts on people. There's a main isem he got beat by the police real bad here. He had a lawsuit and won quite a bit of money where Winkle and his whole crew.

26:48 I think it was a night crew they called There's they did some kind of night crew. They was going through challenges beating people. Another gentleman he won a lawsuit. They pulled him over and could him out the car, and they waited for Chase Winkle to get there, and then they just savagely beat this man. So I'm wondering, did they do this to my five? Then you don't want to investigate it? Is it because your officer might be involved? At this point, I don't trust you. You don't want to solve it. Why not? He was instant, He didn't have a record. My father never been in trouble, He didn't hurt nobody worked like I said. He worked until he retired. That was it, And you don't want to solve it. So we asked them to pass it on to the state Police, and they refused to do it. They said the case is still open, but yet they haven't done anything on the case based on the criminal actions of Chase Winkle. The family doesn't trust the Monsey Police Department and has unsuccessfully requested the Indiana State Police take over the investigation. The family doesn't feel as if the Monsey Police Department have put much of an effort into William's case. We will take a short break and return with Consuali's thoughts on the police investigation and to her father's homicide and why she doesn't feel confident in the Munsey Police Department's ability to solve her father's case. Have you tried reaching

28:33 out to the State Police and asking them for help. I've reached the State Police, and yes, I took my notebook to the SBI in Indianapolis. I took them everything that I had, all my notes, all my pictures, everything. I took pictures of the crime scene. I took pictures everything. I went door to door asking for video. We couldn't even get them collect video. But when it happened, and like the service station down the street from where my dad's body was, they couldn't give me the tape, which I'm fine with, but they said the police never came to him, so after a while it was erased. You see what I'm saying, Like you're on if you're working a murder case. Me, I'm not even a cut, but I know to do surveillance and neighborhood to see if anyone has a ring, doorbells, a camera. We didn't get any of that.

29:26 They didn't even walk my father's scene to look for his keys because his keys was missing and its bilfoe was missing. They hadn't even walked the scene of where my father was for he got killed in July. It was during near December when they walked the area to look for stuff. And that's only because of the State Police. When we contacted the state police and we were asking for help, and they were trying to help us and do what they could, but they couldn't take over the case because Muncy's chief police would not re lease the case. They said it was still open. So it put a hold where the state police couldn't come in full of force and work the case because Munsey won't release it. Why won't you release it if you don't have nothing to hide, and if you if you can't solve it, then let a fresh pair of eyes look at it. And they refused to why are you holding onto the case? I don't understand now. Have you ever requested to meet with the Munsey Chief of Police and discuss your father's case with him?

30:33 Yes, yes, we met with the police and we met with the mayor. Is it going to ever get solved? If you can help us, we appreciate it. But Mony Police they're not gonna help us. I've called them three weeks ago. I left the message, I didn't get called back. I called one other time since then, they haven't come me back. I mean, what else do you do? The State police can't help because Monthy won't release it. When I went to the FBI, they looked at everything I had and they said there's no way they shouldn't be able to kind of break this case with everything that I got myself to be in a civilian, like all the notes and everything. I've even showed them and told them and even the lady, but they let go now. They said they need her DNA. I end up finding the lady in Fairmont, Ohio, and she was on probation down there for something. And I called the Monkey police and told them where she was located at, and the chief probation or probation officer down there said that they would make sure they can keep her get her there where they can get her DNA if they wanted it, and Monkey police wouldn't go get it. And then she got off probation and I don't know where she went from there, but they wouldn't even go get it.

31:47 And I'm like, she's there, she has to checkin. They will keep her in the office or whatever you need. If you call them, they would arrange with daw so y'all can get her DNA if that's what you need. And they wouldn't even do that. Okay. So he said that his wallet was missing, So with that was robbery the motivation behind this killing in your opinion, no, because I'm gonna say this, if they robbed my father and the motive was robbery, his bank cards and things was in his wallet. The bank that he had, Region Bank, and we talked to them several times. Region Bank said, no one's ever attempted to take any money out of my father's account before we closed the count or even after, like even after we had stayed in contact with him, because we had a good a poor with them. No one's ever tried to withdraw any money even attempt to use his card. So if you're trying to rob somebody, you're going to try and take some money out that bank because you don't know how much they gout or anything. His card was never used, so to take his wallet was to make us think it was robbery. That's what our thinking, because if it's a crackhead, or like you said, if it was someone trying to rob him for money, they're gonna take his bilfo. But you got a bank card, you got a credit card there. They don't even try to use his debit cards or anything. And dad had money in his account, so that it wasn't a robbery. So how do you know that your father's friend wasn't the person who took the wallet. She could took

33:19 it, but she did not try to get no money. Whoever took the wallet, they got the wallet, I don't know if it's her, whoever took it, wherever it is, they never attempt to get any money out of his make account. Now do you know if your father was carrying cash and his wallet on that particular evening, Yeah, so he might have had a few dollars, It wasn't nothing substantial. It would might have been twenty thirty dollars something like that. But if somebody's robbing somebody, they don't try and get the money off the card at least or something. At some point I would think you would attempt to try to use credit card or something. I don't know, but they did take his wallet. And has it been confirmed that your father's friend was the last person to have been seen with him on the night that he was killed, the last one seen with him.

34:10 And you know what else they said she had. My brother did some research and he had proved she had a couple of charges that was pending on our system here in Delaware County. After my dad died. A few weeks later, all her charges were gone. There's nothing of her on there as her cases like, you know, like they've gone, like where's her car or her worst cases? All of a sudden, now she don't have to go to quarter or anything. Everything was gone. It didn't make sense. So kind of felt like, did someone pay her to get my dad out of the house? Because we've been on you forever. Why did you disappear? Somebody who always called and come around after my dad got killed, she never came back around. She never called, She didn't even try to come to the service. And I'm saying, this is someone we saved your kids from going to the children's home. You know, nothing, just nothing. Now, have you spoken to the friends since the night that you took her to the police department. No, we have note since we church took her to the police stations, we have not heard from that lady, not once, and that's why I tracked her to Ohio. So she's a key player in this. She has to know much more than what she said about it.

35:30 But you and your sister are both said that law enforcement hasn't really spoken too much to this woman about your father's homicide. No, the police let her go and that was it. Had a We called them once because we heard she was in town and they told us. What was they say back then? We called him and said we heard she was here, and they fit something like, no, we would thought she was here, but that's not her, or something like I don't know. They nothing that we turned into him is relevant. We'd tell him we felt like they could talk to a couple of people that was in jail and they would tell us stuff like, oh, they don't like us, they don't want to talk to us, they're not gonna tell usnssing. But aren't you supposed to try And a lot of people don't like the police, But aren't you supposed to at least try and talk to people? I don't get it. It's like anything most of the things we try to tell them it just like I said with the man and he died now Ricky, I can't think of Ricky's last name, but Ricky's passed now. He was the man that kept her cell phone and kept answering the phone for her that night. It took you six months to go talk to him. That seemed like something you would want to know them right away and get documented. It was nothing to no urgency on anything that we told him. There's a guy he just died. His name is Michael.

36:47 They said he had something to do with it or some kind of involvement in it. We told them about him and listened to this. This is the crazy stuff. We stopped him on the street, me and my cousin, and we was asking him about my father's desk, and he was like, oh, he can take us somewhere in the country to some people's house that could tell us about it. Like, what are you not taking me to no country? Nothing. But at the same time we're talking to him, it looked like it was drops the blood on his Kinnis shoes. So my cousin and I are standing there talking to him, and she's taken pictures of his shoes. While we're talking to this man, we call the police, we tell him what he was telling us, and all of this. They asked, that's did we take his shoes? Did you get his shoes?

37:28 Look, we're about to take the man's shoes off of him. Like what your mean? Did we get his shoes? That's the kind of stuff we're dealing with. Like really, So it's just been horrible. I mean, getting any help with my dad's cage for real, it's been horrible. But if you see the pictures, and I'm I'm not gonna send them to you because I don't want to open the end of it. But I have the pictures. I've sent him out before, but I just I'm not gonna look at it. It's hard to get out your mind. But my father it was like Emmett kill. If you've seen the pictures of Emmett till On, that's how my father looked. Like. They took his eye socket and put a plumb that shriveled up in his eye socket. I mean, his skull broke. It is horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. And I got the futures because the funeral home sent on to me. They was like, this is overkill. That's exactly what they said, this is overkill. It's now been over four years since the death of William Balfour Senior. This man was a seven year old grandfather, with no criminal record, with no enemies.

38:38 He was beloved by pretty much everyone that knew him. So who would kill this man and why today the family doesn't know much more than what they knew four years ago. We will take a final break and when we return, we'll listen to Ensuala's final thoughts on what she thinks might have happened to her father and why she doesn't think that The Monzi Police Department has been very successful in finding out who killed her father. And while I was doing research on this case and just reading up on it, I didn't see any information released about how he died. From what I understand, he wasn't shot to death and he wasn't stabbed to death. But other than that, the police didn't release any other details about how he was killed. He was eat to death, my father, and I'm telling you his teeth. He was so proud of having teeth because he told me to read, because he called me red when I went to the dentist but didn't said I'm doing good for old man and have all my teeth. My teeth was strong. I would definitely say aids at at his age. That's a great accomplishment. No dentures, having all your teeth, that's definitely not something that's probably normal among the American

40:12 population. Yeah, and his teeth was knocked all out his mouth, and man, that took some force to knock his teethed out and stuck in his shirt. According to what we end up reading in the documents from the doctors, like his teeth on his shirt and in his mouth stuck in and award and knocked them out and stuff. It's horrible. And the mayor telling us that the police is going to work on it. Now, tell me about the location of where your father was found. How far was it from his house? Oh god, you have to ask me that drive? Why it being our town, isn't that huge? I would say from his house to where he's found tops eight minutes or so, eight ten minutes. But the thing is the people people had been in that area that night, Like we talked to people that had been out that night, and my father wasn't there at midnight. You see what I'm saying, like he left his house.

41:10 I think they said close to ten thirty eleven. He wasn't out there at midnight. And then we have one person's statement that was out there about one thirty two o'clock. He wasn't out there then, so he was his body was placed out there somewhere after two thirty up until that wee hours in the morning. Like the gentleman Michael McGee that died. He said, when he walked through there, my dad's car was there, and he looked in the windows of the car because the back passenger window was cracked, and he looked in the window, probably thought he was Gary still something. Didn't know whose car it was, but he said he didn't find Dad there. He said, I didn't see nobody there. There's no way you couldn't see a body where my dad was placed right behind the trunk on the ground for him to be walking by, that's the first thing. Once you get past the car, you're gonna see the body because my dad was even with the back of the trump So his car sounds like it was there at one point, and then later his body was there. Because Michael clearly said he did not see a body there that while he walked by, and that he admitted he looked in the windows to see if anything was in the car. And what time did he say that he walked by your father's car. Don't quote me on I want to say Michael said he was there between two and two thirty.

42:30 Myron, Myron Murphy lived right on the corner. He's a think he's a fireman. I think he might be a fireman, but he lives on that corner, and he was on his way to work, and he's seen the car maybe about six thirty seven. And oh, I got another name for you too. Let me think it's another guy that seen my dad's body, And it was somewhere between six thirty and seven. He was on his way to work and he's seen the body. He said he thought he was somebody just drunk or something on the ground, not knowing he was dead. He didn't know if they was drunk or working on the car. So between six thirty seven, my father's body was seen. I think I got out there somewhere between seven thirty and eight. So I don't know when. I mean, we don't know if when exactly he was placed there, because you got people saying he was not there at twelve, he wasn't there at one thirty.

43:30 So somewhere between one thirty and I'm gonna say six in the morning up to seven, he was there. Do you know the exact route that he took. Was he just taking her home? Do you know if he had to stop somewhere else or was it just straight from his house to her house? We don't know. She told the police, and according to the police is that she dropped her off downtown in Monday. So downtown from Monsty from where my dad was found it is probably five minutes. So so if he went downtown to take her home, why would he go to White Lee after he dropped her off, because he could turn around and go right at com you know, like from our town to where daddy is four to five minutes.

44:13 You know, like if you dropped her off uptown in money, then go straight back down the street is go to your house? Hired you on the whole other side of town. And he had his pajamas on, and how should he's like he was in the bed suet prior that. Why would he all of a sudden be on this other side of town. So based on where his car was located, it wouldn't make any sense for his car to be there if he had just took her home and then came straight home. Is that correct right then? That means maybe somebody else took the car there after your father was killed. But we know that the car wasn't on the path back to his house. No, No, it's that's we tried to tell the police. I feel like they put him in the car here.

45:02 I don't think he was. I don't think he was killed there. The police trying to tell me he was. I don't think he was killed there for a fact, Michael McGee when he said he looked in that car, my dad wasn't nobody in the car and he didn't see my dad's body. Ever, he walked away from the car, so he was not. No, I don't think he was killed there. And another thing I don't feel like the police wants to solve this is because they told my father's car in the Northwest record and we started calling asking about the car. When could he be released because it's his car. We wanted to get the car back. They kept telling us they was process in the car. They processed in the car, we couldn't get a car yet. So eventually, almost a week later, I ended up getting a bill in the mail for three hundred and something nine dollars because my father's car was sitting in tow and we hadn't picked it up. When I called Northwest to say how are you charging us?

46:00 And we've been waiting on the police to release the car, they tell us that the car was released the same day. Within a couple of hours, they released the car. The police have been telling us we couldn't get it because they quote with the process in this car all this time, and then we find out Northwest was like, no, it was released that same morning, the couple of hours after we brought it in, So that didn't make sense to us. So the man at the owner of Northwest end up waving all the feed for us getting the car code and because or he waved all the storage feeds and then we paid I think it was maybe fifty dollars or something from the bring it to my daughter's house in parkt in her yard, but he waved on because he thought we just wasn't coming to get the car, not knowing all along the police have been telling us, but they were processing the car. So it's like all kinds of little stuff that just don't make sense, and why are lying to us so much? And I just don't I don't have no answers to none of it because nothing makes sense because I don't watch a lot of crime shows and the police don't operate like that, you know, is like they really are trying to solve stuff and they're taking up all the evidence they can. But at this point we don't even know if they really really did anything to check Dad's car out, because one police officer did tell us that they couldn't find no fingerprints in my dad's car, And that doesn't make sense because my dad's fingers should have been on

47:30 the car. The woman's fingerprints should have been in the car, my nephew who had just drove the car before Daddy took the car and drove it, if she had fingerprints in the car, and they said my dad's car, there was no prints in his car, So what other thief wiped down a complete car? So just to confirm the Moncy Police are still in charge of this investigation, is that correct? Police? And when was the last time and that you tried to speak to someone in the months he police department. I called him a couple of weeks ago because yup, chiefs flown. He won't call me back. And then I talked to him Peas Officer Peas or detective Peas or whatever she is. Chiefly I talked to her maybe three months ago. She said the chief would call me back. He didn't call me back. Then he didn't call me back. Now they don't ever call you back too much. And then when they'll do, they say they're still working on it. It's doing over the case. And then they'll ask you if you know anything. When the state police was trying to take over the case, that's what they did. They hadn't talked to us, and they called me at work and asked me a whole but a question about my dad and what we had her or anything like that. And then they submitted add that information king the prosecutor, and the prosecutor said, oh, well, they are working on it because they have X Y and Z. Well, x Y and Z was the information and I have gave him. So then they

49:01 said they couldn't do wasn't going to pass it on to the state police. Well, at this point four years later. If you don't already have an attorney, your family may need to hire one, not necessarily for any type of litigation, but maybe someone to help you try to figure out what's going on, possibly get information from the police apartment, that sort of thing. Well, every time we asked about an attorney, they tell us that we don't have an actual person who they asked us, like who are we trying to like sue, Like, we don't have a specific person that we're trying to sue. I'll get with my brother then, but yeah, he he knows all of all of that, like he talks to all the attorneys and stuff he's been. We try to hire a few, but we always get seemed like we get turned down where everything like my dad's I'm looking at his TI then this shows like he has old drugs and it's just a no alcohol.

50:04 There's every negative and then they put cause of death as black force trauma to the head. Now does your family have a social media presence? I mean, do you use say TikTok or Facebook or anything like that to draw attention to your father's case. We have a Facebook page, but it doesn't draw too much a function. And what's the name of the page. It's Justice for William vow For. It is the group and it's only got it's my brother needs to play. Make it unprivate because it looks like you got it as private, but it's Justice for William vow For. Yeah, you need to make it not private so everybody can see it. Yeah, okay, And then what you do is instead of you don't have to just people go, well, I don't have a lot of information to put. Well, not only do you put information about your dad asking for tips, and you know, stories about your dad, you can also put other homicides from your area and put those stories on there too, Okay, So add fresh content or other homicides in other cases, unsolved cases in Muncy or even in Indiana, you know, and then that will bring people coming back to your page because you'll have new content every day. So you put stories on it.

51:22 You and your brother both put stories on it every day. And then of course you guys add stuff about your dad and there maybe once or twice a week, say hey, anybody got any information you know, send me turn us a tip if you know anything. Somebody out there knows something, so please help us. You know that kind of thing. Okay, and invite people. Invite everybody on your Facebook page, his Facebook page, random people. Just let people just come and check it out. People. Okay, I'll tell him. I call him tonight and tell him that. And that man's name was Wayne With. Look, I have to go pull my photo out and it's Wayne With. It is the ones you went to a house and took the shower and then Ricky Hughes with the gentleman that she was left her phone at his house and hadn't answering it. Yeah, I'm just trying to jump through some of these emails and stuff because I got a binder just so full of stuff. And we also we had made flyers and put out in the community when it happened and stuff, and the police was telling people. We had a couple of people tell us the police told them that wasn't them, that it was the family. Like we put on their wanted wanted if you see police notify the month the police department, and we had put a picture of her. We put a picture of my father's car that it happened, you know, he had left in and a picture of my dad and we posted them around town and we were told by certain different people that would they ask the police about the flyer. The police was like, oh, that's not us, that's the family that's doing that. Why would

52:53 you play it down like that? You know, they would like, well, ever, anything he was trying to get help, it seemed like they just didn't care. I mean, because a lot of people call you and you tell them, oh, it's not job. You should they should have been like, yeah, do you have any information? All right? So this has been hard. Well, it sounds like your father was really a great person, a great dad, a great friend, a great grandfather, just a really wonderful person. And I'm sorry that you've had such a difficult time getting answers about what happened to him. I mean, it's been four years, and that probably seems like an eternity to go so long without knowing anything. But I just wanted to command you and your family for keep on keeping on about finding out what happened to your father that night. And I hope that you all don't give up and that you continue to pursue answers because it sounds to me like your dad deserves justice because he was a good man who looked out for his family. And with that being said, the last question that I would have for you is for anyone out there that's listening to this podcast, if they know anything about what happened to your dad, what would you say to that person or persons if you could speak to them, If you have any information of anything about anything that can help solve my father's

54:30 murder, we would really appreciate you come forward, contact them, Muncy Police or even even the state police. If you could contact them or any of our family members, we would appreciate it. My father did not deserve what happened to him, and I really would like justice and for being killed. You know, he had left behind grandkids and great grandkids and we missed him and we want justice. It's not right. And that concludes the story of William Balfour Senior. If you haven't listened to the first half, please go back and listen to that episode. William was a retired grandfather. After he retired, family was his number one priority. Without him, his family feels lost. Even worse, his killer remains at large. Who killed William Balfour Senior on July two, twenty nineteen. Someone out there knows, perhaps you know. The family is pleading for your help. How would you feel if William or your grandfather when you want him to receive justice. If you have a valuable tip, you can contact once He crime Stoppers at seven six five two eight six four zero five zero. I will also provide this information in the case story notes. And if you are apparent law enforcement of Ischel,

56:00 friend or relative seeking justice for an unsolved thomicide case, please visit my website and complete the contact form. Thank you for listening