Episode 189: William Balfour Sr. (Part 1 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. For nearly
eight years, I've written a weekly

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newspaper column about true crimes and missing
people for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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With the column and podcast, it
has been my objective to bring attention

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to those cases that have not received
much media attention, if any at all.

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This week's story involves the homicide of
an elderly Munsee, Indiana grandfather named

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William Balfour Senior, who was murdered
on July two, twenty nineteen. He

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was seventy years old when he was
beaten at death and then left on the

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side of the road. Who killed
the silverly grandfather and why. For nearly

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four years, I've interviewed many people
who were seeking justice for family and friends

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that have been murdered. It's been
my experience that criminal activity and lifestyle choices

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often lead to someone either disappearing or
being murdered. But then you have cases

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where people are murdered for no apparent
reason. An elderly grandfather named William Balfour's

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Senior would be one of those individuals. For this week's episode, I interviewed

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Consuela and Lascha Balfour, who are
both William's daughters and are seeking justice for

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their beloved father. William Balfour Senior
was a retired grandfather. The months he

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resident enjoyed spending time with his children
and grandchildren. According to Lasha and Sula,

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William was definitely the family patriarch.
William's youngest daughter spoke to him daily,

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cooked meals for him, and did
everything she could to make his life

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comfortable. She was definitely a daddy's
girl who has nothing left of her father,

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but fond memories of him. Both
sisters took great pride and taking care

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of their father. They made sure
the elderly handicapped man never overexerted himself.

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He had grandsons and other family members
to take care of any physical tasks that

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needed to be done. His children
just wanted to make sure that William enjoyed

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his retirement, spent time with his
family and friends, and relaxed. Before

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eleven pm on July first, twenty
nineteen, Plasheya facetimed her father. He

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then changed into his pajamas before getting
ready for bed. Unfortunately, he wouldn't

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be getting any rest that evening,
William's daughter, Consuela, said a female

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friend had shown up at the house
and requested a ride home. William got

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out of bed and left with this
friend. Family members said that the trip

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to her home should not have taken
very long. William had often given her

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rides in the past, so the
request wasn't suspicious. A few hours later,

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Lescheya's son became concerned when his grandfather
had not returned home. He had

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to call the friend because his grandfather
had left his phone at home. Unfortunately,

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he wasn't able to speak to his
grandfather's friend because she did not answer

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her phone. The next morning,
the family discovered that William's two thousand and

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one Lincoln had been courted off by
law enforcement. His vehicle had become a

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crime scene. William, still in
his pajamas, was discovered outside his vehicle

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at Blaine and Centennial. Someone had
beaten the elderly grandfather to death. His

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skull was bashed in and his teeth
were all knocked out. The beating was

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violent and fatal. Family members were
stunned by William's death. No one could

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understand why anyone would want to kill
the elderly man. Everyone loved him,

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and he had no known enemies.
The family also noticed that the friend who

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was with William was not at the
crime scene. Consuela got into her vehicle

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and searched for the friend. She
found the friend walking down a road.

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Consuela picked her up and drove her
to the Munsey police station. According to

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Consuela and Laschia, law enforcement let
the friend leave without filing any charges against

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her. Consuela then began investigating her
father's death on her own. She spoke

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with a witness who lived with her
father's friend. According to him, the

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woman came home upset. She allegedly
had blood on her clothing and had defecated

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on herself. Acording to the witness, the friend said that she had just

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murdered someone. She then recanted her
statement and said that she was only kidding

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after cleaning herself up. He said
that she left in a hurry when she

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made this statement. The man that
lived with the friend had not known about

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William being killed. He presented Consuela
with an article of bloody clothing that belonged

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to the friend. Law enforcement refused
to accept the evidence because they weren't the

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ones who had seized it. I
had asked both sisters why law enforcement didn't

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arrest her father's friend. Both said
that she claimed that she did not know

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anything about their father's death. According
to her, he must have been killed

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after he drove her home. However, this contradicts the witness's statement, who

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said she came home upset with blood
on her clothing. The witness said that

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she was frantic and was in a
hurry to leave. Four years have passed

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since someone brutally beat William Balfour Senior
to death. Consuela has photographs of her

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father's beaten body. According to her, she has refused to let other family

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members see the photos because she feels
that they are too brutal. The family

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is frustrated with the investigation and have
requested that the Munsey Police Department transfer the

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case to the Indiana State Police.
They believe that the Indiana State Police would

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be better suited to work on their
father's case. Family members believe that William's

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friend knows more about his death than
she's ever revealed. This is the first

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part of a two part story.
Be sure to listen next week to the

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conclusion and now on with the story
of William Balfour Senior. As told by

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his daughters, Consuela and Lasha Balfour. So tell me about your father,

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William Balfour Senior. When and where
was he born. He was born in

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Mundsey on April seventeenth of nineteen forty
nine. He had three brothers and he

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had five sisters. Actually, because
one died when he was young. My

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father was the middle of the three
brothers. His parents died when he was

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young, so I really don't know
a whole lot about my grandparents because they

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were deceased when I was born.
He was raised by a family member and

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grew up, you know, by
his auntie that raised him and two other

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sisters. The other siblings were raised
by a different aunt So my father he

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grew up, graduated from high school, and he started working at General Motors,

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where he retired from. So he
met my mom. They got married

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and had four kids, myself as
the oldest. I had two brothers and

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a sister. It sounds like your
father lived a pretty good life. I

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mean General Motors back in the day, that was definitely a great place to

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work. Your dad came up in
the days where you could get a job

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right out of high school, make
good money and stay there and actually retire.

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Yeah, and that's what he did. He retired from General Motors.

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So, like I said, he
raised four kids and once he retired,

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he just was at home. Him
and my mom ended up to forcing though

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when I was around fifteen. So, but they end up remaining still cordial,

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close friends. He's still holidays,
we still sent together things like that.

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There was no animosity where both our
parents was not around at some holiday

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or something. They were generally around. People thought it was trained some the

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fid because my mom ended up getting
remarried, but my dad still was always

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welcoming around. So as life went
on, we all grew up and had

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grandkids and things like that. My
dad he worked on cars, always working

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in the yard. He loved to
cook on the grill. On the holiday

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we would go to my mother's and
then my mom ended up passing in two

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thousand ten, so then like all
the family events went to my dad's house,

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and so we would always go to
his house for the holidays. He

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was well known in our community.
They know him as mister Balfour. He

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helped whoever he could help. Like
I said, he worked on his cars.

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He would see him at AutoZone getting
some kind of part or at Walmart

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Bayh's Top. He loved phipsy,
so that's what he did. He drink

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a lot of pipsy, and he
worked on cars, worked in the yard,

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or cooked on the grill. He
didn't party, he didn't drink anything

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like that. He was with his
family, his grandkids, is what he

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did. And while I was doing
research on this case, I was looking

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at different theories online about why someone
would have wanted to harm your father,

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and one of the theories that I
saw was connected to one of his grandsons.

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I guess one of your nephews was
on trial for homicide or something along

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those lines. But it was serious
legal issues, and supposedly your father was

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killed in retaliation of something that his
grandson had done. Do you think there's

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anything to that. I know it's
just someone's very but what do you think

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about that? Okay? So I
had two nephews who had got in some

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trouble and the victim, my father's
African American first, and my family is

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the victim of the case with my
nephews was a white victim, a young

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white male. And what we were
told is that this family has connections in

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Muncie, and we was told that
when my nephew went to trial, hey,

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we had a hung jury. And
they were furious. People was upset

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about my nephews getting a hung jury. They had basically placed an attorney on

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his cap that they thought was not
going to give a care and was not

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going to fight for my nephews.
And this attorney fought his pelle off and

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it was a hung jury. So
the day that my father was murdered was

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the anniversary of that victim of that
case. My father was killed on the

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anniversary of the victim of my nephew's
case. We were sent a message by

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someone in the community that a police
officer and Monkey had told them and I

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don't know the police officer's name,
I didn't know the person that came to

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us that there was a letter sent
to Monkey police that said there would be

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another one killed. When we contacted
the police, they were more so worried

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about what police officer told us and
the fact that if there was a really

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a letter or not out there that
came to them. They wanted to know

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who told us and which police officer
more or less not telling us if it

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really was a letter out there,
or not, because at the time,

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we're thinking, Okay, my father's
then got killed on this guy's day of

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his death, of his anniversary.
Now we're being told that someone else in

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my family better be careful because someone
else is going to be taken out.

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So we felt like it had something
to do with that case. Now,

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what kind of a relationship did your
dad have with his nephews? Was he

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close to them? Those were his
grandson? Oh okay, my apologies,

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his grandsons. Can you tell me
about their relationship. Yeah, that was

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his grandson and the one grandson is
the third. His name is actually William

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Balfo the third, So my dad
was William Balfoort the senior and those were

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his grandkids. So yeah, he
was close to him. Okay, now

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I'd like to go back to the
day that you found out that someone had

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killed your father. Tell me what
you remember about that day. My sister

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had called me and said my dad
hadn't been home all night, had left

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to give. We had a family
friend that my dad knew for over twelve

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thirteen years. The lady my dad
helped her quite a bit. Her kids

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had been in trouble a few times. He let them stay with them.

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They came over, they came to
our family functions, things like that.

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Later in life, the lady ended
up getting on drugs at one point,

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but still we allowed them come around. We didn't act funny. We still

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helped when we can help. The
same person was over my house. It

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was like Father's Day, the holiday
before my dad got killed. She was

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just at our house eating dinner and
she there. She came over that night

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and asked my dad to give her
a ride. My dad got out to

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bed, my nephew and my brother
was there. He up getting out the

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bed to go give her a ride
wherever she quote said she needed to go,

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and I was at home sleep.
I didn't know he got up to

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go give anybody a ride. The
next morning I'll find out he had got

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up and gave her a ride and
never came at home. So when I

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got the call, I woke my
son. Daughter had called off everybody.

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He just didn't stay out like all
night. He was seven years old,

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you know, he didn't need to
go staying no where. He had on

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house and we were searching and got
a call that his car was on the

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side of a road out here in
the dominant black neighborhood. His car was

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out there and the police was called
and it was roped off by the time

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I got there, and my dad
was laying outside of the car. He

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still had his pajamas one and he
was laying outside behind the car, and

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the police was there and it roped
off and he was deceased. And when

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you know, we just like,
what happened? Where's the lady? Where's

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she at? He left to give
her a ride. The police officer sending

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around is like, I don't know
if I still remember. The prosecutor was

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there, and I'll never forget.
He came up to me something like,

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well, what do you think happened? And I'm thinking, in my mind,

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what are you asking me? What
do I think happened? You're freaking

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supposed to be the specialist. You
see his body, what do you think

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happened? Like, I don't know. I was just so angry. But

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come to find out, she was
nowhere to be found. And the police

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told us that it looked like had
been killed by trauma, blunt force or

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something, and they was asking us
do we know if he had any objects

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in the car that someone could have
hurt him with, and like no,

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he doesn't have anything in his car, no skits and all that stuff.

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So after all of that, I
left the scene eventually, and my siblings

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we all left the scene going to
look for this woman and I end up

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finding her and walking down the street
and I called police to tell him I

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found her. Here is the woman
that got my dad out of the house

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that night. And they was like, don't do anything to her, we're

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on our way or whatever, and
I'm like, no, she's right here.

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She's getting in my car with me
and I'm bringing her to you guys.

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And so I got her in the
car. She didn't want again,

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and I told her, she you're
gonna get in this car because you're going

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down here to tell them what happened
to my dad. And took her down

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to the police station. And they
met us there and told us to stay

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in the car while they got her
out of the car. And it is

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and then we find out that they
let her go like an hour or two

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hours after she was there. They
let her go because she said she didn't

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know what happened to my father and
she didn't have anything to do with it.

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And I'm thinking ringing someone that last
scene, a person alive, just

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tell you they didn't have anything to
do with it, and you just let

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him go. Where do they do
that at? I don't understand that.

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So long story short. After all
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when I seen her walking, she
was going to this man's house, and

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I end up getting a call that
she was going to his house, and

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I went over there to talk to
him, and he told me that she

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had came over there early in the
wee hours and said she had just witnessed

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the murder and he was going to
call the police, and that this woman

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said, no, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Don't call the

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police. So he didn't call the
police. But she changed her clothes and

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worshed them, and his works her
and dry, and she worshed her clothes,

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are changed clothes, that she had
a bow movement on herself, and

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she had he thought looked like maybe
blood or something. But she changed clothes

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and he had gave her some clothes
to put on. His first name is

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Wayne, he said when he did
called the police to tell him that there

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was a jacket outside his house and
that it possibly could be blood on it.

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They telling him that they did not
need that item because it did not

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have nothing to do with their investigation. So they wouldn't even go collect the

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jacket that he thought she might have
threw outside his house with blood on the

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jacket, So he contacted my family
against I went over there and I called

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the detectives and I even got text
message from the detectives. They told me

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that I can go get the jacket
and put it in the bag and bring

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it the city hall to them,
and I end up doing that, not

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knowing that once I did that,
it made that evidence could not be actually

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used because I could have possibly placed
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So that would avoid that item.
But I didn't know. But this

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is what we was dealing with the
police, like they wasn't trying to get

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any evidence or anything. And you
let this one and go, and you

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got a man that fans She came
to his house saying she had just witnessed

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the murder, and you let her
go. And so what we end up

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finding out is after they let her
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They didn't tell us. We end
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a ticket to leave on the Greyhound
bus and they knew she was gonna leave,

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so she ended up leaving town.
And then we found out more evidence,

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like she was at a man's house
prior to go into my dad's asked

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for a ride. Someone called her
on her phone and the man said that

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she would saying my father's name,
and she had someone picker up from his

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house and take her to my dad's
house, Which is strange. Why would

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you have someone call you and you
tell them on my dad's name and then

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you go to my dad and say
you need a right when you actually was

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in a car with someone. It
just it didn't make sense. It was

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like, what's going on if she
had a ride and she left this man's

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house in a car, but then
she goes to my dad's house and asked

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for a ride, And she didn't
stay at my dad's house like she was

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there visiting for a few minutes and
then needed a ride. She literally came

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over there and knocked on the door, my nephew said, asked for a

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ride, and my dad got up
and they left. So why have somebody

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bring you there to get a ride. And then like it just didn't add

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up, and she did leave her
house. Her curse at the man's house

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where she was on the phone act. He said she left her purse and

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her cell phone and told him to
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If it rings, just don't talk, just answer it and hang up.

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And we told the police this.
Do you know it took them five to

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six months to ever go get this
man's statement. They would not go get

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his statement. We kept calling him, kept calling him. I kept going

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over to his house, asked him
how they been there. They would not

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go this man's statement. It took
him like five months. I have note

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like in a documentation that we keep, but it took him several months.

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It's like the police would not go
collect evidence. So at this time we

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start thinking, what is the police
covering up? You refused to go investigate

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my father's murder. This is a
seventy year old man that his left hand

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did not work because of a pinched
nerves, so he couldn't use his left

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hand that much, and so here
he is murdered. And at the time

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we didn't know how bad he was
murdered. But when we had my father's

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funeral, the funeral home that took
it up on their self because they seen

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the injury on my father and they
couldn't believe how bad my father was.

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A beat Whoever killed my father they
used something invested his head. That explained

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why the police asked us about something
in his car that could have caused a

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fracture to it, you know,
something of that nature. The funeral home

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end up giving me pictures, and
I end up in the pictures. But

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come to find out, say,
bust my father's skull open. He's seventy

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years old. He had never lost
a tooth. He was proud of himself

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cause his dinners always told him he
had strong teeth to be an old,

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older man, and never lost the
tooth. They knocked out almost all my

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father's keeps out of his mouth.
They broke his eye socket, and they

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choked him so strong that his collar
bone busted through his shoulder. And you

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told me the police don't let it
find out who did this. That's over

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till of a seventy year old defenseless
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We asked them, and I feel
like again we go back to my nephe's

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case. They're pissed off about my
nephew in that situation, and because you

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pissed off about that, you refuse
to do your job on my father's case

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and it just pisses me off.
And then the ray my father's cart was

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pulled over to the side of the
road. We were like, why would

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that even pull over like that get
the police puliem over? Is it pop

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that the police is involved, because
we also end up finding out that we

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have police officers now if you google
it and find out Chase Linkol being the

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main lead police officer and his father
was the chief of police for this story.

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I wanted to understand why Consula thought
that a Munsey police officer might have

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beaten her father or been involved with
his death, because I had read in

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some different articles online that the family
had questioned whether law enforcement was involved or

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not. So I wanted to learn
more about former Munsey police officer Chase Swinkle.

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I was able to find information about
him on the United States Department of

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Justice website, and I wanted to
read some of the information that I found

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out about this guy. Chase Swinkle, a former police officer with the Munsey

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Police Department in Munsey, Indiana,
pled guilty today to eleven civil rights and

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obstruction charges. Specifically, wink will
plead guilty to five federal civil rights offenses

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for assaulting arrestees and to six obstruction
offenses for writing false reports to cover up

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the assaults. Officer Winkle, the
son of a former chief of police,

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confessed to repeated uses of excessive force
and obstruction of justice. Set Assistant Attorney

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General Kristen Clark of the Justice Department's
Civil Rights Division. This defendant's misconduct injured

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his victims and undermined the police department's
credibility with the community. We hope that

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this guilty police sends a message that
neither a badge nor familial connections will shield

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an officer from facing justice for his
wrongdoing. Today's guilty police are an important

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step forward as we seek justice for
the victims in this case, said US

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Attorney Zachary A. Myers for the
Southern District of Indiana. Our office,

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the Department of Justice, and our
federal partners are firmly committed to holding law

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enforcement officers accountable when they violate their
oaths and the civil rights of the people

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they were sworn to protect. According
to court documents and statements made during the

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change of plea hearing honor about August
ninth, twenty eighteen, Winkle and another

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officer arrested a civilian identified as LG. As LG was lying on the ground

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with the other officer holding both of
LG's hands behind his back, LG directed

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a verbal insult towards the officers.
In response to the insult, officer Winkle,

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using his knee, dropped his full
body weight down onto LG's neck and

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head area. LG screamed out in
pain and yelled that Winkle had crushed his

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face. A few moments later,
Winkle deployed taser prongs and to LG's back

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and activated the taser. Officer Winkle's
use of force caused severe bodily injury to

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LG and multiple facial fractures that required
surgery. Following the incident, Winkle wrote

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a false report about what happened.
Based on what I've read about Winkle in

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the time this was going on,
it's not difficult to understand why pen Swiler's

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family has concerns about the police department
and why they want the investigation being handled

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by the Indiana State Police. They
had been going through months beaten up people

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and beating people with their police stick. There's charges of them using assessed force

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on people. There's a main isem
He got beat by the police real bad

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here. He had a lawsuit and
one quite a bit of money. Where

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Winkle and his whole crew. I
think it was a night crew they called

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there. They did some kind of
night crew. They was going through challenge,

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just beating people. Mother, gentleman. He wanted a loss suit.

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They pulled him over and pulled him
out the car, and they waited for

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Chase Winkle to get there, and
then they just savagely beat this man.

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So I'm wondering, did they do
this to my father? Then you don't

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want to investigate it? Is it
because your officer might be involved? At

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this point, I don't trust you. You don't want to solve it.

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Why not? He was instant,
he didn't have a record. My father

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never been in trouble, He didn't
hurt nobody, worked like I said.

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He worked until he retired. That
was it, and you don't want to

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solve it. So we asked them
to pass it on to the Stay police,

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and they refused to do it.
They said the case is still open,

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but yet they haven't done anything on
the case. Based on the criminal

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actions of Chase Winkle. The family
doesn't trust the months he police to apartment

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and has unsuccessfully requested the Indiana State
Police take over the investigation. The family

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doesn't feel as if the Monsey Police
Department have put much of an effort into

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William's case. We will take a
short break and return with Consuayla's sister,

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Bashaya discussed her relationship with her father
and his homicide. So tell me about

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your father and your relationship with him. What do you remember most about him.

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I remember my daddy was always at
the work. It had been on

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motors. He was always at work. I remember he was a preacher.

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If he wasn't at work, he
would stay working on car. He just

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he was just always busy as busy, busy, busy. As far as

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when I was a kid, I
just was real, real close to him

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because that's just my dad. I
was the baked girl, so that's probably

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why. But he was not a
mean person. We didn't get in trouble.

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He'd give us anything. He'd get
anybody in there. I don't know.

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He just my dad and he was
a great man. I said,

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there's not a lot of'em around
here. And I just see how he

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took care of home, took care
of my mom and as kids I was

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just seeing it all. I remember. We had a close relationship to where

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when I started having children, he
was right there with me. That's how

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close up that's my dad. I
wanted my dad there. My mom couldn't

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handle me having kids, like being
in the room or none of that.

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But he was strong. He was
like there with me. And even though

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that I was in paid, but
he was there. Okay. So he

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grew relationships with my children, my
boys. I have five boys. One

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pathway, my dad was close to
them. He used to keep them when

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I worked the babysit. He would
take in the school, do everything that

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he have a baby sitter Grandpa would
do. Daddy to thy busy. He

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loved the cook he loved barbecue,
He loved all day. He just wanted

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his family to be happy. You
know, them kids could get anything.

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Are you Williams youngest child? I'm
the youngest girl. Okay. And how

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many siblings do you have? If
them girls and two boys? Okay,

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so there's four of you. M
Yeah. After speaking with both you and

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your sister, sounds me like you
all had a great childhood. He came

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up from a good home, have
great parents that loved you were supportive.

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Yeah, we did. But they
eventually separated, but we still with it

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around, like he still would come
and get it from the weekend. He

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would lived in Marriam, he would
keep come and get it from a weekend.

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Eventual way he moved here to Moncie, so we did get the same

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a lot. But after a while
he got his own house. I think

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he moved here and moved in with
me until he was able to get him

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a home, and I think that's
how it went. But yet he was

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up here. There was not a
day that I didn't get to talk to

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my dad. If you see me, see him like we have a real

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close relationship. My baby. I
have an eight year old son. He

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kept him while I worked, so
I seen him every morning and after work.

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I see just all the time.
I knew there wasn't a day that

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I didn't see my dad. So
tell me about your experience and learning about

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your father's death. Tell me about
that. Okay, So at about ten

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o'clock at night, my son,
he is twenty five now, he was

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standing there with my dad and my
brother. He called me. He was

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like, mom, Grandpa left and
he'd been gone for a while, and

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that is not like Grandpa and me
being the way that I am, and

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I know my dad when he would
leave with this lady, he would leave

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his phone home because she would go
through her phone and start arguments with him

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him about other women and go through
his phone always something, so he would

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leave his phone home. So I
didn't think anything of it. I said,

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he'll be home. I said,
you know, Grandpa, he'll be

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home, and he said yeah,
but Mama, he would have been bad

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by now because he was living there, for he knew more than I did

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that something was not right. And
I said okay. I called her phone

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pipe out fifteen twenty times. I
said on the message, I said,

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if he talked to my dad,
he said him, call me, are

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you still with my dad? No
response, no response, So I'm daddy

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calling her. I'm I probably called
her until five o'cu the morning. No

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response, So being a divine my
son, I he called me now.

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I called her, called his cell
phone. I said, Daddy home,

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Yet he was like nope. He
said, Mamma, if you think he's

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okay, then I don't want over
to my girlfriend's house. And I figure

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out in the morning. I said
okay, but they didn't go home.

409
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.279
They went looking for my daddy.
They didn't find him. Come to find

410
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.440
out, they rolled down a street
that would right next to where my daddy

411
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.640
was laying, but they met.
They didn't go down the street that he

412
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.039
was going, but they were thirteen
to third though. My son went home,

413
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:05.000
so I don't know if it was
seven o'clock, might even six something

414
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.559
in the morning when my sons one
of his kids, the mother called me

415
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:15.440
because somebody was trying to reach me
on Facebook and they couldn't get me because

416
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.640
I don't keep messenger up. If
she had reached out, she used to

417
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.240
come around with the boys. She
had called one of the kids, the

418
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.559
boy's baby mom, and they were
like, I think Grandpa's cars roped off.

419
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:28.799
The girl was like, he went
and drove by Grandpa. This is

420
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.119
what she said. She drove by
grandpaw cows and his car wasn't home,

421
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:36.240
so she believed that's his car.
And I said, okay, and I

422
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.880
called the girl myself and I thought
she said, yeah, I think they

423
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.640
got even broke up by getting my
sign up. The one that was living

424
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.599
here and my baby and my son's
father and we left and we drove down

425
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.480
centenniol with doctor Fintanio. We drove
right past the street. Mind you,

426
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.000
when we drove past the street,
all I've seen was my daddy's car on

427
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.240
the right of me. I never
see my dad, never seen his shoes

428
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.960
or anything. So we went to
around the corner and parked where we can

429
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:06.559
police and they came back. My
brother came. They got out and everybody

430
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:07.440
but me. I wouldn't get up
the kind of sending his back feet.

431
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.320
I didn't want to hear nothing.
I covering my ear. They said that

432
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.199
they came and asked my brother,
who was his dentist. Then at my

433
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.960
brother's home. He didn't they they
asked me and they said they didn't know.

434
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.079
I didn't know. At this time, I didn't know anything. I

435
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.280
couldn't think. And when they came
back to the car, they was like

436
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:29.079
it was bad. They can't identify
him. And I said one I'm thinking,

437
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.559
I'm okay, I can't handle it
better if he had a stroke or

438
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.559
a heart attack or something. Not
nobody it's up beating like that. So

439
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.079
I went. We went back around
in the corner to where I first came

440
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.639
to that road where everybody was blocked
it off. They blocked it off and

441
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.599
my father's legs and stuff was laying
right there. I had didn't see that.

442
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.280
I looked down there when I drove
by, and he couldn't move his

443
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.280
hands. He said, you had
thought he had a stroke. He couldn't

444
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:59.079
barely walk. He was handicapped.
They walked real flow, he couldn't hardly

445
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.679
move. It was time we had
to go on the grocery store. He

446
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:06.039
would apologize everybody because it took him
so long to get his card and stuff

447
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.239
out. And I used to tell
that he don't be sorry. It happened.

448
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.440
It's okay, I'm right here.
I can help you. But as

449
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.960
I said before, the police they
were there and made us leave so they

450
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.119
could get him up. They took
the car to the pound. Our car

451
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.039
was ready about an hour later,
ready to be Really it looked like it

452
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.360
had been cleaned out because my son, my youngest and not my youngest son,

453
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.360
the one that was living there with
him, had took the car before.

454
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.679
My daddy had last in the car, so he knows how if it

455
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.360
was dirty or wet, but my
dad the great kids had made it messy.

456
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.400
You was dirty. But when they
picked the car up from the pound,

457
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:44.079
the car was thick in spin.
Now, when you arrived at the

458
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:49.719
crime scene, did you see your
dad? They wasn't the being. Yeah,

459
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.679
all i've seen was leg No,
I didn't get to see him.

460
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.159
They identified him the next day.
LU. But when you got to the

461
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.599
car and you real there was a
dead body, I'm assuming that you knew

462
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.079
in your heart that was your dadda. I could tell by the pants and

463
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.000
his hand and his shoe landing the
street. And I'm assuming that when you

464
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.320
saw him you had no idea that
someone had killed him. Probably didn't know

465
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:22.360
if maybe he had a heart attack
or a stroke or what happened to him.

466
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.880
Did you No, they wouldn't allow
us to see him. They fitted

467
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.320
was too bad. Yeah, they
wouldn't allow us to get that clothes.

468
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.400
They was trying to identify him by
his teeth. I guess all of his

469
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.199
teeth was knocked out of his mouth
and they were all over his body.

470
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.519
Thought they were trying to identify him
by that. Because you couldn't identify him

471
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:43.400
at all. I thought that I
would have been able to handle it better

472
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.480
if it was natural causes, because
the way that that he was beaten so

473
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.840
bad, like ooh, and why
would y'all want to be the old man.

474
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.320
He's handicapped. He can't do anything. If you wanted his money,

475
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.320
just pick the money and go on. I'm so confused on that. I

476
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.119
don't understand. And it Andy,
And when we went to see the mayor,

477
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.480
they were like this with a hate
crime. Well yeah, nobody helping

478
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.280
us to try to figure out why
somebody would do that. The hill.

479
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.280
Now, I would like to go
back to the friend. So she comes

480
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.679
to your dad's house, your dad
gives her a ride. She's the last

481
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.840
one to be seen with your dad, and yet she claims she has no

482
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.559
idea what happened to him. It's
all confusing to me that the police just

483
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:37.880
let her go. I mean,
did they not suspect that she was involved?

484
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.159
And that's why they let her go? Why didn't she get arrested or

485
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.480
charged with anything? They never they
never quokened her. Well, I guess

486
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.480
they took her in, but they
let her go. Now I know to

487
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.320
the day that she id then involved
or see no exactly what happened is because

488
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.559
if there was not a morning that
she would pet go by, if she

489
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.800
would my father up for a ride, okay, every morning, every morning

490
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.039
he would get up and give her
a ride wherever she had to go,

491
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.039
seven eight o'clock. When you get
to his phone, now, one time

492
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:14.559
has she called his phone And that's
not like her. If you go back

493
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.719
putting his phone record, you will
see every morning she woke him up,

494
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:21.400
it was like clockwork. She needed
a ride and he would pick her up.

495
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.239
So for her to be walking when
when my sister seeing her walking,

496
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.159
she read to have a ride.
And then when my sister asked her what

497
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.400
happened with her and dance, she
was like, she don't know. She

498
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.679
took and he took me home.
But I knew she was lying, but

499
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:43.079
the police didn't my things. I
don't understand why she was in a suspect

500
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.559
because they left her go right away, even though she told them she was

501
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.679
the last person who whist. He
told them that he dropped her off at

502
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.159
home. That's what she told them. So according to her, he dropped

503
00:38:53.159 --> 00:39:00.679
her off at her house and then
whatever happened to him must have happened after

504
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.159
he left her house. And that's
her story. Yeah, that's her a

505
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.239
story. And then we talked to
people like I can't think of his name,

506
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.679
but she lived there with this guy. He said when she came home

507
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.159
at five o'clock in that morning.
She was a nervous threat, and she

508
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.440
told him she was just involved in
a murder and she had a ballot movement

509
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.360
on herself. She got in the
shower and she changed her clothing, wigs

510
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.280
and left. So then the guy, the Ricky Hughes guy that passed away,

511
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.960
Now this is where she was at
before she got with my dad.

512
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.440
She was over his house and she
kept asking the phone and she said,

513
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:43.079
my father's names William Balfour whatever,
and she said, okay. He called

514
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.039
my daddy, told him he needed
a ride. She told Ricky that she

515
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.639
was gonna leave her from there,
but don't answer it. Be flighted it

516
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.400
so to make like sees rejecting the
call, like his asses don't just not

517
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.119
answered, like make some kind of
movement of makes it like if you're rejecting

518
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.639
a call. And if she left
her cell phone, he said, don't

519
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.920
answer it. So he said that
he didn't know what that was about.

520
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.360
So he said he had been trying
to reach us and trying to find out

521
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.119
because when he found out that next
morning, how I was, He said,

522
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.119
when she came there, he was
in a rust trying to get there.

523
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:16.679
Well, I'm gonna take you back. A couple of days before this

524
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.360
happened, my nephew went to trial, and I came home and my dad

525
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.599
had my kid and he was sitting
there and she called his phone. And

526
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.480
she's always just got on nerves.
He feels like, I'm thick of her.

527
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:34.440
I'm ready for her to get go
back to Michigan. It's to Detroit,

528
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.440
he said, I'm ready for her
to go. He said, I

529
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.679
didn't got her a bus ticket to
go, And he said, she's going

530
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.280
nerves about this ticket, so I'm
going and give it this ticket. He

531
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.199
said, I'm getting tired of her, like like he was just her.

532
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.280
He was just on him, on
him, on him. She knew exactly

533
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.400
when he got paid. So that
day she had called him, but he

534
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.320
ended up. They ended up hanging
up and I told him, I said,

535
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.280
he why don't you just leave him
her along? He thought, I

536
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.840
didn't get her kickt Now Figurin moved
back to Michigan and I'm heck, now

537
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.039
that was twa before he got killed. And he said, and I'm just

538
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.920
happy, oh and fith, but
she's just getting on my nerve. Like

539
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.639
deal with Maggie and bugging him.
You know, you get older, he

540
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:15.000
can't take but so much. After
listening to the details leading up to William's

541
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:21.480
homicide, I couldn't help but wonder
more about the friend who asked for the

542
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.440
ride. She was the last person
to be seen with William before he was

543
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.440
killed. I had questions about the
relationship. We will take a final break

544
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:37.719
and listen to Lushaia explain the relationship
between her father and this family friend.

545
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.360
Now, what was it the extent
of the relationship between your father and this

546
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:58.599
family friend. Were they just friends? Were they dating? What was the

547
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.760
relationship? Like? Okay, they
had been dealing with each other for a

548
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.440
long time. I can't even tell
you how many year and her kids were

549
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.039
little kept getting put in cow protection, so my daddy was like, he

550
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.000
would rescue them, he would live
with him. So him and her was

551
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.519
basically like dating until Stephen on I
moved on about our own and then my

552
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.079
daddy just lived his life. But
he was involved in some way, if

553
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.079
it was him giving her money for
belled or you know, just always needed

554
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.239
something to ride something, but he's
always helped it. We haven't been on

555
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.119
vacations with them and everything. My
dad was the contact number for them kids

556
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:45.840
when they get in trouble. So
it sounds like basically your entire family considered

557
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.960
this woman a friend at one time. Yeah, and your entire family was

558
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:58.840
probably on good terms with her in
the past. Yes, yeah, Okay,

559
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:05.400
So he saw in your family's history
with this woman, and it sounds

560
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.519
like your father did a lot for
her. I guess the next thing that

561
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:13.840
I would want to ask is if
your father was giving her rides and giving

562
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:19.320
her money and treating her like a
family member, what possible reason would she

563
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.639
have for wanting to harm him.
It sounds like he actually was a good

564
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:29.920
friend to her, and probably your
entire family was good to her, So

565
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.440
I don't understand why she would want
to do anything to hurt the family.

566
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.719
Right. So, I feel like
the way I got it, if she

567
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.840
couldn't have him to her fell,
nobody could. And I remember my brother's

568
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.000
girlfriend had told us, but she
told us this after he passed away.

569
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.760
They were working at Burger King on
Madison here in monthy and I give my

570
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.599
daddy and her I got into it. So my brother's girlfriend would working with

571
00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.320
her, and she felt, I'm
gonna kill him one day. I'm a

572
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.079
killing one day. That's something that
you come back and tell somebody, no

573
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.559
matter if you think they're playing or
not. You don't know if they're playing.

574
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.039
You don't know them well enough to
know if they're playing or if they

575
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:15.039
just talk. But she eventually told
us after it happened that she was going

576
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:21.159
to kill him. So if jealousy
was a possible motive, why would she

577
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.400
be jealous? Was your father dating
someone else? Yeah? He had people,

578
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:29.079
He had other friends. None of'em was considered in a relationship.

579
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.400
But she wanted me, I guess. I think of the way that she

580
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.760
acted and the way he would tell
me if she just wanted me to be

581
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.079
with her, he said, I'm
entitled to have friends. She's not my

582
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:44.079
woman. She was married. She
married then, she's been here in Indiana.

583
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.440
She was married. When didn't happened? I don't know. But that's

584
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.320
another thing that worried me. She
was married and I didn't know. So

585
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.760
after my father passed, the way
that the husband came and they had had

586
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:58.519
worked with my dad, And I'm
assuming that the police have spoken to the

587
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.480
husband. The other they took,
they talked to all of them. They

588
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.360
even tough to all well, they
said that they did DNA on them.

589
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.679
That's what one of this family member
told me not to love ago. Probably

590
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.239
last year they did DNA on him. And four years later, the police

591
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.519
haven't made a single arrest. No, they fail that proper kids offer the

592
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:21.679
fifth They never had a case because
they never had a best bit. Have

593
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:27.880
you learned anything new about the investigation. What's going on with the investigation today?

594
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.159
Well, really, they haven't done
nothing. Nobody's talked to us.

595
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:37.559
They interviewed my son this year that
lived with my dad interviewed him, which

596
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.920
they tried to use that as an
excuse of why they couldn't go along with

597
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.239
the investigation until they talked to my
friend. So they interviewed him. It's

598
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:50.159
like they basically so that they're not
working on his case. They won't let

599
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.639
the state take over, and they
won't find it over to the state.

600
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.199
And if the fates went to work, why won't y'all allow them to?

601
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.320
What are y'all hiding? Why wouldn't
you want to give that over? They'll

602
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.639
sarve every other case, but here
you got a fevdeo handicap man's beat to

603
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:09.199
where you cannot even recognize him.
I mean literally beat him. Everything about

604
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:14.199
him was broken, and y'all just
like, oh well, and then when

605
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.159
we ask you guys to get it
over to the state, then you don't.

606
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.039
They won't. I really think that
with all the details about this case,

607
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:28.000
that the friend she has to know
more than what she has said.

608
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.039
And it just seems odd that you
don't hear anything about her. I mean,

609
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.480
there's nothing in the media about her, there's no information about her.

610
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.559
You just don't hear anything about her. And yet she's a significant part of

611
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.119
this story. And another thing,
she had rub charged, like serious rub

612
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:52.599
charges before this happened. They all
disappeared. And one about your local media.

613
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.119
Have you spoken to them about your
father's story. I know you have

614
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.119
because I've seen something on the news, but it's been years. Do you

615
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.360
try to get a hold of them
on a regular basis or perhaps on anniversaries

616
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.280
of say his birthday or when he
was killed. I've been on the noon

617
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.719
with I can't think of his name
right now, But they came down here,

618
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.719
they were with us at the scene
and everything. They interviewed us all

619
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.159
we don't win worldwide, but but
there's still nobody's saying anything. And a

620
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:28.960
woman we have not seen her the
next day, didn't hold her or her

621
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.039
phone, but they wanted our dad's
phone. They wanted my fund's phone.

622
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:37.159
It just didn't make sense to me. But she says she was with him.

623
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.280
As then a couple of her belongings
was in my dad's car. As

624
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.079
then you take a car to it
the impound and it's an investigation, and

625
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.760
it's done in an hour. That's
never possible. The car came back spick

626
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.480
and span. It was queen like
he had been detailed. And it sounds

627
00:47:53.559 --> 00:48:00.199
like over the past four years you
haven't learned anything new. So you don't

628
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.360
know anything more today than what you
knew four years ago. That's how it

629
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:10.199
sounds to me. Yeah, nothing
has changed. Now. Tell me about

630
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.440
what you miss the most about not
having your dad and your life anymore.

631
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.719
What's missing from your life? What
did the killer take away from you and

632
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.320
your family? It's just not the
same. I used to be able to

633
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.239
pick up the phone and call daddy. I called to my dad every day.

634
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.800
Just seeing my whole life is completely
different, not that even not here.

635
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.639
But you always got that person that
want to make everything better from a

636
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:44.079
conversation, put advice to anything and
I can't calling. I can't calling when

637
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.639
I'm confused about stuff, even though
I'm forty four years old. Daddy still

638
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:50.159
my dad, and I would pick
up that phone and acts, you know,

639
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.840
Daddy, how do I do?
How do I? Daddy? Are

640
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.920
you hungry? Daddy? Do you
want to go somewhere? Do you want?

641
00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:00.280
You know? I just made short
heat was okay, and I can't

642
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.719
do that. Bad bothered me.
Then I got an eight year old son,

643
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.719
and he don't understand. He talked
to my dad the night before it

644
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.519
happened that night one FaceTime, and
my dad was real good about this.

645
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.559
He asked me, he said,
did your mommy order use this power ranger

646
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.440
helmet? If Daddy I ordered it
for him? And then my baby asks

647
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:20.280
him. He said, Grandpa,
can you buy me a blanket like your

648
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.800
orcs? And he was like,
yeah, I'll get you one. And

649
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.400
I loved you, fat man.
I talked to Peas tomorrow, I'll tell

650
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:28.440
you about love you. But we
were hands on. I talked to him

651
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.320
every day. If I had to
cook for him, i'd go feeding.

652
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.239
His hand was so messed up that
I had to literally clean his hand for

653
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.239
him. I had to keep his
hand queen. It's this stuff that he

654
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.840
couldn't do, that I had to
do, that we had to do as

655
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.559
his kid. But I'm right on
being because we were close. My brother

656
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.239
lived with him, but I was
still close to my dad. It sounds

657
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:54.079
to me as if you both had
a very special relationship. Yes, my

658
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.840
daddy. And it bothered me so
like they didn't even that. This's how

659
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.679
bad it was that they didn't even
want to tell me when they came to

660
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:05.599
the car and I had my ear
covered up because I was so scared of

661
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.679
what I was about to hear.
And when they told me that, I

662
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.119
just it seemed like I void,
like I've locked my son and I have

663
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.119
lost the son. But then I
lost my dad and my niece four days

664
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.280
later, and then my dad four
months later. But it's a different void.

665
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.280
That's my baby A pardon me,
but my father, my daddy,

666
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.280
you know what I'm saying. It's
a big it's a different and the way

667
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:31.599
that he passed away really is what
the problem really is that body. My

668
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:37.280
son died from heart failure, but
my dad got murdered, so it's a

669
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.559
different Somebody really hurt him. Yeah, it's such a tragedy. About what

670
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.760
happened to your dad. I mean, he was a seventy year old man

671
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:51.599
that was frail and disabled. He
certainly didn't deserve that type of beating.

672
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:58.639
No one deserves that. But your
father couldn't even fight back because he just

673
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:07.480
couldn't physically. So the last question
that I would have for you is what

674
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:14.800
would it mean to your family to
have someone come out and tell you exactly

675
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:20.639
what happened to your dad four years
ago? How much would that mean to

676
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:27.320
you for someone to come forward with
information about your dad's case that would lead

677
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.440
to an arrest. I just want
to know why they hurt my dad that

678
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.880
all. I don't want to know. I just feel like whoever did it,

679
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.239
they I don't know. It just
I don't know how I would feel.

680
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.960
I don't know if I'm gonna be
angry, if I'm be relieved,

681
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.519
I don't know. I really can't
tell you because it bothered me so bad.

682
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.760
I don't know how I would feel. I want that. I want

683
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:51.639
to know. I want to know
because at that day I wasn't there to

684
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:55.079
help him, and he expected as
kids to help him, and for me

685
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:58.880
not to be able to help my
daddy. Guess would bother, anyone or

686
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.920
anything. But I just want to
know. I think I told my sister

687
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.800
one day answer because I wonder what
he was saying, like where are my

688
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.199
kids? Fat? Like these people
are hurting me? Where are my children?

689
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.639
But we always went there for our
daddy, but we wasn't able to

690
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.239
be there and bothered me more than
anything. But I would love to know

691
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.000
what happens. I will give this
to my daddy. And that concludes the

692
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:31.079
first half of William Balfour Senior's story. William was a retired grandfather. After

693
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:37.880
he retired, family was his number
one priority. Without him, his family

694
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:44.079
feels lost. Even worse, his
killer remains at large. Who killed William

695
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:50.920
Balfour Senior on July second, twenty
nineteen. Someone out there knows, Perhaps

696
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.719
you know the family is pleading for
your help. How would you feel if

697
00:52:54.760 --> 00:53:00.800
William were your grandfather? Wouldn't you
want him to receive justice? If you

698
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:06.760
have a valuable tip, you can
contact Muncie Crime Stoppers at seven six five

699
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:13.280
two eight six four zero five zero. I will also provide this information in

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701
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