Episode 185: Michael Smith (Part 2 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. For nearly
eight years, I've written a weekly

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newspaper column about true crimes and missing
people for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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With the column and podcast, it
has always been my objective to bring

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attention to those cases that have not
received much media attention, if any at

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all. This week's story involves a
thirty eight year old Little Rock, Arkansas

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man named Michael Smith, who vanished
on June seventh, two twenty two.

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He was last seen visiting his mother, who worked at a local bank.

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He had let her know that his
employer had just terminated him. After Michael

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left his mother's place of employment,
she would never see him again. This

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is the conclusion of a two part
story. If you haven't already listened to

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the first half, please go back
and listen. Michael Smith was a thirty

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eight year old Little Rock, Arkansas
man who was the youngest of three sons.

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He was also a father of four. Michael's parents are Sherry Smith Riggins

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and the late Eddie Smith, who
died when Michael was a teenager. Michael

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would last be seen on June seventh, twenty twenty two, at ten fifteen

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am. He had just lost his
job at the Whole Hog Cafe on Cantrell

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Road. After leaving his former job, he had visited with his mother at

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her banking job on Rebsamin Park Road
to tell her. Michael was especially close

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to his mother and kept in regular
contact with her after he left her place

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of employment. No one has seen
Michael since. Sherry described her son as

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a good son. She did say
he did have some problems, as we

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all do, but she did say
that he was a hard working young man

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who was especially close to his dad
when he was a teenager. Michael and

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his dad, Eddie, were both
huge NBA fans and shared a mutual love

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for basketball. When Michael was younger, Eddie had worked with his son so

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that he could possibly play professional basketball
in the future. Michael spent much of

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his youth playing basketball in high school
and junior college. Sadly, Michael playing

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professional basketball would be a dream that
Eddie would not live long enough to see.

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Eddie was electrocuted while cutting down a
tree and nineteen ninety eight. The

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loss would deeply affect Michael, as
he was Michael's biggest supporter and his son's

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biggest fan. Eventually, Michael would
give up on his dream of playing professional

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basketball and leave college without earning a
degree. His mother said that he would

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just end up taking a series of
different jobs and focus more on financially supporting

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his children and looking out for his
mother. Michael's case is controversial. According

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to his mother, law enforcement claims
that Michael was last seen riding on a

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bicycle and then possibly committing suicide by
jumping into a river. There were witnesses

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who saw an unidentified man jumping into
a local river. Sherry has been told

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by law enforcement that Michael may have
committed suicide. Sherry disputes this. She

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has said that she has seen a
blown up photo of the man on the

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bike that was supposedly Mike. She
said the man on the bike was a

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darker skinned man and he definitely was
not her son, as police claim.

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She also said there is no confirmation
that the man who jumped into the river

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was her son. Another source of
contention between law enforcement and Michael's family is

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that a witness is said to have
seen Michael checking his mail sometime between four

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twenty and four forty pm on the
day that he disappeared. According to Sherry,

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law enforcement has never spoken to this
witness. I had asked Sherry if

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Michael had any enemies. She did
tell me that he was concerned for his

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life. He had told his mother
that if anything ever happened to him,

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then law enforcement needed to look at
someone that he had mentioned. Sherry has

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given this name to law enforcement and
doesn't believe they have considered this person as

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a suspect and Michael's disappearance. Today, Sherry and her son Cedric spend many

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hours looking in abandoned houses and speaking
to people trying to figure out what happened

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to Michael. Unfortunately, Sherry's motherly
instincts have told her that her son is

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deceased. She is now pleading for
the public to help her recover his body

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so that he can receive a proper
burial and she can stop searching for Michael.

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This is the conclusion of a two
part story. If you haven't already

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listened to the first half, please
go back and listen, and now on

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with the story of Michael Smith,
as told by his mother, Sherry Smith

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Riggins. Michael was born September twenty
six, nineteen eighty three, in Middle

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Rock, Arkansas, and his father's
name was if she's deceased, Eddie James

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Smith, and of course I'm Sherry
L. Smith Dash Riggins. He owns

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a tree business service and he was
elected keea of cutting the tree down when

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Michael was fourteen. Edy died September
to seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, the

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very day that he was injured.
He only lived probably five hours. He

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died in surgery. Michael was very
close to his dad. They had a

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passion for basketball. My husband played
basketball in high school and college and Michael

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hubs the same love. And he
studied with Michael when he was father about

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five years old, getting him ready
to play basketball, and Michael had a

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love for it, and he played
high school, he went on to junior

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college, played in California. He
played AAUNG So that was his passion.

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Who was Michael's favorite NBA team?
Well, Michael liked the Chicago Bulls,

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and his dad, before his death, took him to I think they remembered.

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No, my husband was a Larry
Bird fan. Okay, Larry Bird

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and Magic Johnson. Oh, that
was definitely a great rivalry back in the

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day. Yes, So Michael was
basically left handed. My husband told me,

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you couldnt favor one hand, and
I could stell seeing him with two

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basketballs and they would dribble. Even
my husband put a half of a court

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in our backyard and they had a
poor countrete, so he could go out

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there and practice with Michael. So
it was a love that they both shared.

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And Michael was lost when his dad
died. And that's the truth.

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And so I had start going to
the games and screaming. And after Eddie

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died, I had to pick up
where my husband left off, and I

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did. So that is a little
bit about Eddie as Michael's love. Like

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I said, he lost his half
when he was fourteen, getting ready to

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turn fifteen. My key was turning
fifteen to twenty six. And like I

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said, because my husband was it
was an accident. The death. They

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had to take him, of course
to the Crown lab and time we got

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him back and it was a while, but I didn't want to bury him

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on his toub's fifteenth birthday, so
I buried him two days before Michaels fifteenth

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birthday. So I made a deal
with Michael. If you didn't get into

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any trouble, didn't get anybody treagnant
and would go to college. I would

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not marry anybody I could you for
in school. So he kept his from

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us and I kept mine. And
what did Michael do after he came home

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to earnest degree while he was in
college? No, he was like one

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year of getting his degree, and
so he came in and I guess he

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had enough hours of whatever. He
started working at the VA. And this

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is so many years ago, but
I know he had him a nice job

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at the VA and he was making
very good money. What did he do

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at the VA hospital and had something
to do with help? It wasn't like

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he worked in the kitchen. So
did you do something like the work of

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a dietitian something like that at the
VA? Something like that. Michael had

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some good jobs through his career.
Even that's the round, and we owned

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the business, and he read that
that's what he did when he first came

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in. We had a business that
my oldest son started, and when Mikey

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first came out of college, that's
what he did. We had a checkcash

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and bill payment center. We had
two locations and Mikey ran one of them

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for pot four years or five when
he came back. So that's what he

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did. But he did for I
think five years he did that and he

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was very good at it, and
then he went to the VA. After

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that, he worked at the VA. Now, tell me about his personal

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life. Did Michael ever get married? I mean, I know he had

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kids, Is that correct? Okay, Michael never got married. He got

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engaged, but they never got married. Michael got involved with a young lady

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and they had two children, and
he had two other children. Okay,

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Michael, he had the sons of
seventeen and the daughter that is fifteen,

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another and there's fourteen and one,
three other things and something like them.

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But he ended up a four kids, and he ended up with the young

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lady that has two children by because
she had the first two by umes.

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That's who he was with when he
disappeared, the one that had his first

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two children. So that's the person
who was with when they disappeared, and

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they came became engaged. The one
that had the other one she married somebody

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else, and the other one married
someone else. So he ended up with

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his first two children's mom. Okay, so he had four children buy three

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different women. Is that correct?
Yes? Now, was he on good

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terms with all the mothers. Yeah, because he was all any time they

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would come to my house. Those
two kids were always together. In fact,

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they go to school together now,
so they're very close. They say

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they are like they twins, just
from a different mothers. So those kids

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get along, so all the mothers
get along. And didn't paid child support,

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so it wasn't like he was a
dead be dead. Mike paid child

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support. He took care of all
his children. Percentages came out. He

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had percentages coming to each one of
those kids up until he disappeared. He

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a wish paid child support. He
never not took care of his children and

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he would always go even though he
had a bad relationship with the one he

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was with owning off, he always
would take care of his children and did

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what was necessary with his kids.
They could never say he was a dead

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be dead. He loved his kid
if he didn't do nohing as he loved

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his children, and he was there
because he know what it took when he

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lost his falcom, we didn't know
how to sail. So Michael was always

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in his kids' life. In fact, I text each one of them for

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Father's Day, so I have found
out who my pastors. If you were

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taught something, it's not hard to
give it. It's harder to give something

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you were not given too. So
his dad and him had a good relationship,

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so it was not hard to give
back what you received. That makes

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sense. I definitely agree with that. So Michael sounds like a pretty good

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guy. Now, did he ever
have any legal issues or any type of

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trouble with a law anything like that? Now, I'm not gonna paint a

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martyr out of my stud. I
have to tell the truth about my stud.

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Like I said, my sign and
his significant others had troubles. It

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all started made an age of twenty
one. They had one car. Now

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they had a house. They both
stayed in. This raised their children,

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was raising the kids. He took
the cast and he took the car.

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He didn't come back, and she
missed a powerfum. She called the police

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and said he was driving a car. Was the our permission. When Michael

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came in, she called the police
and said he's in the driveway. The

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police shows up, she's looking at
him through the clumb on her door.

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The door then, so when the
police come up, they asked them what

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is he doing. He says,
I'm trying to get in the house,

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but she had locked the doors and
he couldn't get an ounce, so they

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asked him what this car. He
said, yeah, this is me and

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my girl's car. I live here, and it just kept going and kept

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going. So they're going to step
out, and he asked them what did

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he do? It's out there you
too. So from there, one of

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the cops ended up pulling a gun
on him, ended up shooting him twice

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in the legs. I don't know. The German hit him up. He

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got shot, the shot in the
artery. The car took off. The

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police said that he was fleeing he
hit a pole because he'd be lacked out.

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He was in the hospital. They
charged him with playing We had to

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get a lawyer, which they got. All of that stuff dropped, A

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lot of it was dropped. Then
he went from a million dollar bell to

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a twenty thousand dollars bear and then
she bailed him out. So yeah,

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and that was pending. That's a
lot. Yeah, that was pending.

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And the prosecutor was saying that discussed
since he been missing, they've been talking

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that she was playing two in the
middle. She would tell the lawyer we

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had one thing and the prosecutor another
thing to tell his lawyer that this is

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her fiance, She's not gonna do
anything to hurt it. But yet she

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killed a prosecutor. I'm afraid to
say anything. So the prosecutor said they

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could be trust So they were just
going to offer him a plea deal of

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probation for a while and if you're
getting the normal trouble, get wiped off

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your case and all that kind of
stuff. But we never got to that

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because he came up missing. I
had asked Sherry if Michael had enemies or

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if he was in fear of anyone
before he disappeared. His mother did tell

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me that there was one individual who
Michael had an issue with and that if

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anything were to happen to him,
that the police would need to look at

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this particular individual. I'll take a
small break and listen to Sherry discussed the

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moments leading up to Michael's disappearance.
Okay, so did Michael have any enemies

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or anyone that was mad at him? There was there someone that maybe wanted

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to harm Michael. Was there someone
that he had concerns about? Michael texts

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me probably seven days before he left
instead, if anything happened to me,

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Mom, this is the person that
did it, and that is what he

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takes me. Okay, And Michael
gave you a name. He gave a

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name. I had talked the police, but for some reason they won't him.

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Don't you find that kind of odd? I mean, he tells you

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that he's worried about someone doing something
to him, and he gives you a

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name, and then he disappears.
That's very concerning. I'm sure you were

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probably concerned when he first told you
this. I find this to be a

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very odd situation. Would you agree? Yes? I did, and a

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very odd But I want to my
son about the intivision And my son said

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to me, I know, Mom, I know, And that was on

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the money. He came to my
office. Amind him. He spoke about

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it, and he says, yes, I know. And he told him

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about what he's playing when alist was
over and behind him, what he wants

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to do with his life. And
that was when he's disapputed. Right now,

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take me up until the day that
he disappeared. From what I've read

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online, he worked at a restaurant, he got terminated, and then he

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came and spoke to you at your
job. And this was on June the

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seventh or something like that of last
year and a little after ten am.

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Does that sound correct? Correct?
Okay, Tuesday, June the seventh,

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correct, Yes, that was tu
and then you never saw him again.

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That's what I've read based on media
sources. Now did they get it right

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or is there anything missing from their
reporting? That is coc my son let

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me at ten we looked the video
pamists wherever and we saw him well at

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board at ten fifteen and we could
bite him until the fucking in seventeen allows

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ofthings cameras did around the company out
Worth and now the posts saying he was

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on about a syclem we never seen
about cycle. They sent me a picture.

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The emailed me last night saying she
saw a young man on a bicycle

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and she said he's such a darker
and he doesn't look like person. And

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I said, we had to picture
bone up and because at one time profit

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investigator was listening into this, and
I said the picture was blown up and

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it was not Michael, I said, but the police said he and so

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evidently they don't got to know where
my son and it was different closed and

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left with the young man on the
bicycle was a darker intellection. He had

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different clothes on, he didn't have
a shirt owned. But they said that

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was Michael. And you're absolutely positive
that man reported on that bicycle was not

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your son. Oh, I'm there
possitive. Even the lady didn't even know.

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Last night from a ditting person or
something emailed me and said, do

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you have a better photo because this
person is much darker than the individuals they

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do have about it, because I
have a from picture of Michael live there

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and she said, he just it
doesn't look like the same person. Well

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it wasn't, and they want I
tried to tell police, this is not

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Michael on this bicycle, but they
want to say it is those Now,

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let me go back to the day
that he visited you, the last time

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that she saw him. Was there
something specific that he had to tell you,

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I mean, other than just telling
you that he got terminated from his

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job. Was there something else that
he wanted to tell you, or was

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it that he had just come by
just to say hello to you. Michael

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always come back, like I said, he came back to see me money.

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He came by Tuesday to tell me
he had been let go at his

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job. But they were being very
treacherous with two things they would do and

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the first time Michael had been tied
before. But he, y'all wouldn't go

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get a best job, did the
job he had before the end. So

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he came by to tell me that
he had got terminated. He said,

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well, and because with our work, I know a lot of people that

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I got that one. And so
he said, mom, I got let

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gold. And I said, well, okay, but you know, I

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don't know what The weirdest thing for
me is that they will saved. Michael

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left that bank and committed society.
It's what the police want to say.

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But if he committed suicide, where
is his body? That's what the judge

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says. We fight every three months
in the court system, and that's what

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judge says. I will not rule
his death of society because that was her

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court that all this was staying out
there. And she said, that's not

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the mister Smith. I know he
never miss the court appearance. He would

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always presentle And she said, I
will not rule his death for suicide because

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they're trying to say that Michael left. My babe got on a bicycle which

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we pulled. Was not his bodicycle, rode to the Broadway Bridge and jump.

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We have a witness that said she
saw him at four o'clock back of

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his house. The police were in
an end ofview person. Yes, I

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saw that he was getting his mail. Correct, Yes he was getting the

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mail, and the witness saw him. But the thing of it is what

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we're having problems with. It is
all that we've had private investigator listen to

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all of this and the ever dis
that we have with the then it the

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police still will not listen to it. They would not see anything about it

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to keep saying he kills himself.
They will not interview the witness. The

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sheriff Department called me because so they
were nice and they were going to look

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into it. They tell the Sheriff
Partment they interviewed the witness and she had

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d as wrong. The witness that
I never spoke to the police about the

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introdet. So it's so much.
I don't know why. If it's he's

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created to hide by the lie,
Why a person that's not my son on

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a bid shield to try to convince
me mother, But this is her turn.

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So all the going out my son
that this Houston works six days of

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the T's of wind District in Houston. He gets on Friday. He drives

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him for seven hours to leave a
couple and him and I go out in

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any abandoned house, any woods,
and we think that you try a body.

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We have been I have been in
weeds up to my base looking for

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my son. I have not gotten
any cooperation from the police. The only

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thing I had was operation for a
while from a private investigator and he told

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me I'm going ahead beside my son. After a month, I said,

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months or two. He found out
a lot of information. He disappears.

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He don't even speak to me anymore. So I don't know what he found

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out. But he crossed his account. He didn't even tell me another branch

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Paul to tell me here close as
account, and he left and he will

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have any more in contact with me. So if every time I get somebody

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to investigate my son disappearance, the
only thing I ask people, I just

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want to find his body. I
just want to find my son Sidy.

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They were looking through it, and
whenever they found out, they will not

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huntach me anymore or take my fun
house. And I mean the police department,

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the sheriff department. I've spoken to
the U A. Marshall. I

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have called wherever that man is always
on the news, CROC the Crocs.

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I have emailed him. I have
emailed CNS. Only thing I ask people

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help me to lookate my son because
the police clams up anybody, everybody that

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looks into Michael's disappearance. And so
that's where I am with my son,

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and I will do it. We
investigate, we talk to people, We

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go through houses, and like I
said, I work all week. I'm

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six fives now and I'm crawling in
abandoned houses. But I'm looking for my

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son. I even had an ex
publishman and said, I'm paying for your

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see a weapon license because it's one
of my customers, so you can go

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out there and be armed. So
I'll do everything that I can to find

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Michael and bring home. After I
had asked Sherry about Michael having any types

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of concerns about someone that may want
to harm him, she did say that

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there was someone that Michael had issues
with. I wanted to find out more

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about this individual and possibly find out
what could have led up to this person

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doing something to Michael. We'll take
a final break and return with Sherry's comments

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on this person who Michael had concerns
about. Now, going back to the

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guy that Michael was concerned about,
have you ever spoken to this individual?

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Have you ever asked, hey,
did you do something on my son?

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Yes, we are, yes we
have, and what did this person tell

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you? Yes, we do know
some of the information about an individual,

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and we think that inviduals at alved
it. But for some reason, the

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police were not even questioned in an
individual. Now we did have the pidd

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to the individual and they was the
hostile. They made a comment that the

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only problem they just upset. I
think that they came on his body.

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So basically they feel like, because
you could found the body, you can't

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charge you the body within me.
But for us, the police knows he

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haven't helped it at all. And
what is Michael's official status? So just

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to confirm he's considered missing? Is
that correct? Yes, I'll find doing

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the temp. So law enforcement did
accept your missing person's report? I know

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in some cases they don't always accept
them. Oh they accepted that. Yes,

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yes, But if you go out
there on the missing profile, because

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in the US database, David Night
givement address, they make it seem like

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he was homeless day said he was
on a bicycle. It's so vague of

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Michael. They just put something out
there to what they did because I wouldn't

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even alone, so they just put
they wouldn't even say his last known address.

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They left that blank. And they
had all the information. They had

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all the information. So for now
it's basically just you and your son,

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Cedric, who's a former marine,
that are actually outlooking for your son.

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Yes, yes, I definitely do
the same as something happened to one of

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my brothers. And so just to
clarify, Michael is the youngest, correct,

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Cedric is one of his older brothers. Yes, he's the baby.

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He's the baby. So one of
your three sons is Cedric the oldest,

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or is e Cedric the middle son, and Michael's the youngest. No,

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each one of my kids are three
and a half years apart. So I

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have him forty five, the forty
three, and Michael will be forty this

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year. So he comes home and
like I said, I have his back.

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If he's in the houses, I'm
standing outside watching it because we'd be

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in some very bad areas, but
we are there together. Well, I

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definitely would not advise you to go
out alone looking for Michael, it could

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be dangerous for you. No,
No, I go with my sons because

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my son he's gone, and I
have relatives that want to come. But

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I have five hundred nieces and nephews. It's five generations, it's five hundred

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of them. But right now,
I don't want a lot of commotions.

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I don't want the focus to come
off of what we're trying to do.

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So right now it's just my self
and Cedric. We go out and look,

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and we will continue to look until
we signed him. I definitely don't

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blame me for your efforts. Now, tell me when was the moment that

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you realized that there was something wrong
with Michael. What made you come to

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the conclusion that he's missing or something
bad has happened to him Michael, Like

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we said, it's a person that
communicate. And so when Michael left my

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office at Tuesday, I hadn't heard
from him. Win Then Thursday I called

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his significant other and asked us.
She said, oh, he hasn't been

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home as my casualist. She said, oh, I haven't seen him.

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And I'm like, you haven't seen
him and she's like no. So I

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called her that Friday and then I
tried to call his phone, and he

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kept going straight to voicemail or straight
to something. And so by Friday,

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I still hadn't hear it from Michael, and that was not like Michael.

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So I knew then it had been
three days. Something wasn't late, something

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was not right. And so I
went and fouled a missing person because,

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like I said, Michael, no
matter what, he would communicate, and

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I hadn't hear it from him in
three days, so I knew something was

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wrong. Something had to be wrong. Now, where are all of his

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personal possessions? Where's the stuff at? Now? The p I wouldn't picked

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it up from her, and it's
here. It's here in my house in

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a box labeled I have his personal
possessions here with me. Was there anything

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missing that you would have expected to
be there? I mean, like a

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wallet or something important like that.
Did you get his wallet back, his

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phone? Did you get those type
of important items back? Okay? According

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to them, I guess he jumped
with the wallet because I haven't seen a

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wallet, okay. And the police
said they had two witnesses three I don't

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know, supposed to see a black
man John. They said he pulled off

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his t shirts, threw it on
the ground along with his backpack, and

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jumped into a river. They supposedly
had a search team out there to look

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for him, but did not find
anything. One year later, seven people

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have either had boat axes, is
or whatever they got to the river.

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But Mikey and what the police told
me, you may never find him.

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It's what I was told him.
But they said the backpack he had,

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which my PI said when he looked
at the pictures, the backpack that he

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left the banquet wasn't the backpack the
police had. He blew up the picture

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from the bank. It was similar
that he showed us. He said,

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you see the difference in the pictures
sold. He was a very different PI.

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But whatever he found out, he
quit and went away. But the

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only I have gotten of Michael is
his clothes that was left at the house

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or as anything else before he came
up disappeared. He said, Mama,

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I lost my phone. It was
said that Michael went and after he lost

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the phone, which he's they suspicious
to meet, purchased another phone cell phone,

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but never activated. He had the
phone supposedly from Saraday to Tuesday.

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So who loses the phone on a
sterday without looking for it to just immediately

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go by you another one and never
activated. But that's what was said.

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He had no cell phone and didn't
have his bank cards, so he couldn't

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have access to money, and you
don't know where any of those items are

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now. No, the police said
that they supposedly pinged his phone, but

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he was dead or something they said
was cut off, and another one was

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never activated as all that was said. So the whole big thing for them

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was to convince me that he committed
suicide. And I'm telling them as a

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mother, I know my child.
If my child is telling me what they

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look for in the future. I'm
not a psychologist, but my daughter m

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always a psychologist. And the way
she told me, a person just giving

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me to commit suicide have no hope. They don't think about the future because

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they don't see one. Michael was
telling me what he planned to do once

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this was over, So why would
he go kill himself when he was being

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optimistic about his life. Now you're
saying that there were supposedly a couple of

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witnesses that saw Michael jump into the
river. How do they know it was

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him. I'm just curious as to
how they were able to identify your son.

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Did they pick him out of a
photo lineup or something? No,

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Okay, this is the most interesting
part ever. They supposed to be on

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the bridge and when they were on
the bridge, they said they saw a

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black man having walked. He was
coming from Okay, he was parting to

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the police. He had teen twenty
six minutes to get to four miles,

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so they said the pct PIA said
there was no way to leave my location

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and walked to the Broadway Bridge in
that time frame. So they put him

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advice. So then the wizesses said
he was coming. He went all the

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way across the little rock side,
walking back across, because if you one

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side his little rode one side his
gonfl off. They said he walked all

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the way across the little rock side
and was to the nofler rock side to

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come back on the other side to
jump, and they was passing him.

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So when they passed him, they
said they saw a person take off the

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shirt, drop a backpack, hollerize
something and go in the water, bob

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back up one time, never seen
again. Okay. Now supposed to there's

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two or three witnesses, but only
one called nine one one so, and

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they said that they would be there
when the police came. So when the

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norflal Rock police came, Lil Rock
didn't know about this for two weeks.

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That so someone's supposed to have jumped
on the Norvla Rock side. Will Rock.

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After two weeks of me having reported
my side them and no sightings,

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someone anonymously called the Little Rock police
and said that you realize that on the

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date of Tick steven, someone jumped
on the Norfhalock side. They got an

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anonymous pill. That's how Little Rocks
found out there's somebody's supposed to jump on

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the norval Rock side. Was two
weeks letter from someone calling him and then

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they go to the Norvla Rock side
called them go pick up the evidence that

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Little Rock sides that they had norval
Our side head and give it to the

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Little Rock side. They're supposed to
been a shirt, the pen from my

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job, and a charger that was
supposed to be in the backpack now larger.

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The Rock does not list anything in
the backpack, the witness said.

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When they opened it to see could
they identify anybody or was there any identifications,

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they said it was just one backpack. When Little Rock gets it.

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It's a backpack, it's a shirt, it's I think two shirts, a

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pen and a charger, nor the
rock. Just say it's a backpack,

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a whole bunch of things that don't
add up. That's where we are.

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Yeah. So, if anyone out
there that's listening to this podcast episode and

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they decide that they want to call
in a tip, what law enforcement agency

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would they need to contact? Oh? Lord, you still have to call

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it Little Rock. They had it
out there. It's out there on one

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of the sites the number to call. Because you can't call the Novel Rock,

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you have to call the Love Police, plumb. Okay. So just

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to clarify, there's two police departments
out there. There's the North Little Rock

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and then Little Rock two. Jefferd
instance, Yes, all right, and

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then let me ask you about your
social media presence. Are you using Facebook

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or TikTok or anything like that to
help get the story out about your son?

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I don't have a Facebook patient,
Michael. On my birthday, I

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just put out there that I was
five and I have been looking for my

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son in one year, and that
I asked social media in the fifty escape

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what they helped me to look at
my son and within that two point one

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million people have reached after me just
in that app alone. That was oh,

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June to tenth and and so in
lit over a week, and it's

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still growing. People are reaching out
to me. Four and Little Lark has

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reached out to me Channel eleven and
waiting for an interview for me Channel stick

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che eleven. I have faced him
on missing website a probably five different websites.

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That's a great idea. As a
matter of fact, that's how I

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saw Michael's story. I have placed
my sons anywhere we have walked. My

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son came in. We made up
flyers. We have walked the street and

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put flyers out. They have tore
them down, some people not wanting them

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up. So anything that you could
think, we at one point offered a

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reward when he first came a missing
I mean anything you think that a mother

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can do to find her son.
I have done it. Like I said,

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I have email, I have called, I have spoke, I have

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asked because, like I said,
I only want his body back. I'm

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not interested in with being I'm not
interested is who did or who didn't do.

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I'm just listened to my son when
I walk down the street, if

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I see someone I feel in my
heart my son is to see. If

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I see someone that's five seven,
one hundred and thirty pounds wet, it

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makes me take a second look because
unless you know for sure, that's always

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a little bit of hope that maybe
he is alive when I know in my

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heart he isn't. I just need
some closure, and it's all I ask

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for. That's all I ask the
police. But just let me have closure

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for me and his children because they
had a Father's Day that they don't have

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a father. They don't know where
he is, okay. And the last

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question that I would have for you
is for anyone that's out there listening to

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this podcast episode, if they know
anything about what happened to your son,

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Michael, and you could speak to
that person or persons, what would you

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like to say to those individuals?
I said, there is a sight out

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there that we placed on social media
and it has a phone number. You

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don't have to tell me who you
are. You don't have to even tell

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me where you live. Just tell
me where my son is so I can

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go and get him. But all
I want I don't want to name.

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I don't want to know who was
involved. I just want to know where

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my son is, Michael Edvards Deith. That's all I want. As a

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mother. I tell people all the
time, I'm just a bear that was

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in the wood bothering nobody, but
someone messed with her curb and now I

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am a grizzly bear. I will
not stop till I tie my cub so

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someone can help me stop. I
will easily come out the woods and stop.

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But until then, I'm a grizzly
bear in the woods looking for her

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cub. That's all I have to
say. And that concludes Michael's story.

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If you haven't already listened to the
first half, please go back and listen.

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Have you seen Michael. He is
described as being five foot ten and

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weighing around one hundred and thirty pounds. His family is desperately searching for him,

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and they do believe that he is
deceased, but they want to locate

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him so that they can give him
a proper burial and they can stop searching

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for him. If you know anything
about Michael's disappearance, please contact the Little

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Rock Police Department at five zero one
three seven one four six zero five.

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There is also a reward for any
information leading to Michael's whereabouts. I will

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also provide this information in the case
story notes. And if you are apparent

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law enforcement official, friend, or
relative seeking justice for an unsolved Thomas side

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case, please visit my website and
complete the contact form. You can also

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contact me through Facebook. Thank you
for listening.