Episode 185: Michael Smith (Part 2 of 2)

0:14 Hello, and welcome to the Catch My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening. My name is Mark. For nearly eight years, I've written a weekly newspaper column about true crimes and missing people for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio. With the column and podcast, it has always been my objective to bring attention to those cases that have not received much media attention, if any at all. This week's story involves a thirty eight year old Little Rock, Arkansas man named Michael Smith, who vanished on June seventh, two twenty two. He was last seen visiting his mother, who worked at a local bank.

0:56 He had let her know that his employer had just terminated him. After Michael left his mother's place of employment, she would never see him again. This is the conclusion of a two part story. If you haven't already listened to the first half, please go back and listen. Michael Smith was a thirty eight year old Little Rock, Arkansas man who was the youngest of three sons.

1:37 He was also a father of four. Michael's parents are Sherry Smith Riggins and the late Eddie Smith, who died when Michael was a teenager. Michael would last be seen on June seventh, twenty twenty two, at ten fifteen am. He had just lost his job at the Whole Hog Cafe on Cantrell Road. After leaving his former job, he had visited with his mother at her banking job on Rebsamin Park Road to tell her. Michael was especially close to his mother and kept in regular contact with her after he left her place of employment. No one has seen Michael since. Sherry described her son as a good son. She did say he did have some problems, as we all do, but she did say that he was a hard working young man who was especially close to his dad when he was a teenager. Michael and his dad, Eddie, were both huge NBA fans and shared a mutual love for basketball. When Michael was younger, Eddie had worked with his son so that he could possibly play professional basketball in the future. Michael spent much of his youth playing basketball in high school and junior college. Sadly, Michael playing professional basketball would be a dream that Eddie would not live long enough to see.

2:57 Eddie was electrocuted while cutting down a tree and nineteen ninety eight. The loss would deeply affect Michael, as he was Michael's biggest supporter and his son's biggest fan. Eventually, Michael would give up on his dream of playing professional basketball and leave college without earning a degree. His mother said that he would just end up taking a series of different jobs and focus more on financially supporting his children and looking out for his mother. Michael's case is controversial. According to his mother, law enforcement claims that Michael was last seen riding on a bicycle and then possibly committing suicide by jumping into a river. There were witnesses who saw an unidentified man jumping into a local river. Sherry has been told by law enforcement that Michael may have committed suicide. Sherry disputes this. She has said that she has seen a blown up photo of the man on the bike that was supposedly Mike. She said the man on the bike was a darker skinned man and he definitely was not her son, as police claim.

4:08 She also said there is no confirmation that the man who jumped into the river was her son. Another source of contention between law enforcement and Michael's family is that a witness is said to have seen Michael checking his mail sometime between four twenty and four forty pm on the day that he disappeared. According to Sherry, law enforcement has never spoken to this witness. I had asked Sherry if Michael had any enemies. She did tell me that he was concerned for his life. He had told his mother that if anything ever happened to him, then law enforcement needed to look at someone that he had mentioned. Sherry has given this name to law enforcement and doesn't believe they have considered this person as a suspect and Michael's disappearance. Today, Sherry and her son Cedric spend many hours looking in abandoned houses and speaking to people trying to figure out what happened to Michael. Unfortunately, Sherry's motherly instincts have told her that her son is deceased. She is now pleading for the public to help her recover his body so that he can receive a proper burial and she can stop searching for Michael.

5:21 This is the conclusion of a two part story. If you haven't already listened to the first half, please go back and listen, and now on with the story of Michael Smith, as told by his mother, Sherry Smith Riggins. Michael was born September twenty six, nineteen eighty three, in Middle Rock, Arkansas, and his father's name was if she's deceased, Eddie James Smith, and of course I'm Sherry L. Smith Dash Riggins. He owns a tree business service and he was elected keea of cutting the tree down when Michael was fourteen. Edy died September to seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, the very day that he was injured. He only lived probably five hours. He died in surgery. Michael was very close to his dad. They had a passion for basketball. My husband played basketball in high school and college and Michael hubs the same love. And he studied with Michael when he was father about five years old, getting him ready to play basketball, and Michael had a love for it, and he played high school, he went on to junior college, played in California. He played AAUNG So that was his passion.

6:44 Who was Michael's favorite NBA team? Well, Michael liked the Chicago Bulls, and his dad, before his death, took him to I think they remembered. No, my husband was a Larry Bird fan. Okay, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Oh, that was definitely a great rivalry back in the day. Yes, So Michael was basically left handed. My husband told me, you couldnt favor one hand, and I could stell seeing him with two basketballs and they would dribble. Even my husband put a half of a court in our backyard and they had a poor countrete, so he could go out there and practice with Michael. So it was a love that they both shared.

7:28 And Michael was lost when his dad died. And that's the truth. And so I had start going to the games and screaming. And after Eddie died, I had to pick up where my husband left off, and I did. So that is a little bit about Eddie as Michael's love. Like I said, he lost his half when he was fourteen, getting ready to turn fifteen. My key was turning fifteen to twenty six. And like I said, because my husband was it was an accident. The death. They had to take him, of course to the Crown lab and time we got him back and it was a while, but I didn't want to bury him on his toub's fifteenth birthday, so I buried him two days before Michaels fifteenth birthday. So I made a deal with Michael. If you didn't get into any trouble, didn't get anybody treagnant and would go to college. I would not marry anybody I could you for in school. So he kept his from us and I kept mine. And what did Michael do after he came home to earnest degree while he was in college? No, he was like one year of getting his degree, and so he came in and I guess he had enough hours of whatever. He started working at the VA. And this is so many years ago, but I know he had him a nice job at the VA and he was making very good money. What did he do at the VA hospital and had something to do with help? It wasn't like

9:01 he worked in the kitchen. So did you do something like the work of a dietitian something like that at the VA? Something like that. Michael had some good jobs through his career. Even that's the round, and we owned the business, and he read that that's what he did when he first came in. We had a business that my oldest son started, and when Mikey first came out of college, that's what he did. We had a checkcash and bill payment center. We had two locations and Mikey ran one of them for pot four years or five when he came back. So that's what he did. But he did for I think five years he did that and he was very good at it, and then he went to the VA. After that, he worked at the VA. Now, tell me about his personal life. Did Michael ever get married? I mean, I know he had kids, Is that correct? Okay, Michael never got married. He got engaged, but they never got married. Michael got involved with a young lady and they had two children, and he had two other children. Okay, Michael, he had the sons of seventeen and the daughter that is fifteen, another and there's fourteen and one, three other things and something like them.

10:24 But he ended up a four kids, and he ended up with the young lady that has two children by because she had the first two by umes. That's who he was with when he disappeared, the one that had his first two children. So that's the person who was with when they disappeared, and they came became engaged. The one that had the other one she married somebody else, and the other one married someone else. So he ended up with his first two children's mom. Okay, so he had four children buy three different women. Is that correct? Yes? Now, was he on good terms with all the mothers. Yeah, because he was all any time they would come to my house. Those two kids were always together. In fact, they go to school together now, so they're very close. They say they are like they twins, just from a different mothers. So those kids get along, so all the mothers get along. And didn't paid child support, so it wasn't like he was a dead be dead. Mike paid child support. He took care of all his children. Percentages came out. He had percentages coming to each one of those kids up until he disappeared. He a wish paid child support. He never not took care of his children and he would always go even though he had a bad relationship with the one he was with owning off, he always would take care of his children and did what was necessary with his kids. They could never say he was a dead

11:56 be dead. He loved his kid if he didn't do nohing as he loved his children, and he was there because he know what it took when he lost his falcom, we didn't know how to sail. So Michael was always in his kids' life. In fact, I text each one of them for Father's Day, so I have found out who my pastors. If you were taught something, it's not hard to give it. It's harder to give something you were not given too. So his dad and him had a good relationship, so it was not hard to give back what you received. That makes sense. I definitely agree with that. So Michael sounds like a pretty good guy. Now, did he ever have any legal issues or any type of trouble with a law anything like that? Now, I'm not gonna paint a martyr out of my stud. I have to tell the truth about my stud.

12:46 Like I said, my sign and his significant others had troubles. It all started made an age of twenty one. They had one car. Now they had a house. They both stayed in. This raised their children, was raising the kids. He took the cast and he took the car. He didn't come back, and she missed a powerfum. She called the police and said he was driving a car. Was the our permission. When Michael came in, she called the police and said he's in the driveway. The police shows up, she's looking at him through the clumb on her door. The door then, so when the police come up, they asked them what is he doing. He says, I'm trying to get in the house, but she had locked the doors and he couldn't get an ounce, so they asked him what this car. He said, yeah, this is me and my girl's car. I live here, and it just kept going and kept going. So they're going to step out, and he asked them what did he do? It's out there you too. So from there, one of the cops ended up pulling a gun on him, ended up shooting him twice in the legs. I don't know. The German hit him up. He got shot, the shot in the artery. The car took off. The police said that he was fleeing he hit a pole because he'd be lacked out.

14:00 He was in the hospital. They charged him with playing We had to get a lawyer, which they got. All of that stuff dropped, A lot of it was dropped. Then he went from a million dollar bell to a twenty thousand dollars bear and then she bailed him out. So yeah, and that was pending. That's a lot. Yeah, that was pending. And the prosecutor was saying that discussed since he been missing, they've been talking that she was playing two in the middle. She would tell the lawyer we had one thing and the prosecutor another thing to tell his lawyer that this is her fiance, She's not gonna do anything to hurt it. But yet she killed a prosecutor. I'm afraid to say anything. So the prosecutor said they could be trust So they were just going to offer him a plea deal of probation for a while and if you're getting the normal trouble, get wiped off your case and all that kind of stuff. But we never got to that because he came up missing. I had asked Sherry if Michael had enemies or if he was in fear of anyone before he disappeared. His mother did tell me that there was one individual who Michael had an issue with and that if anything were to happen to him, that the police would need to look at this particular individual. I'll take a small break and listen to Sherry discussed the moments leading up to Michael's disappearance. Okay, so did Michael have any enemies

15:43 or anyone that was mad at him? There was there someone that maybe wanted to harm Michael. Was there someone that he had concerns about? Michael texts me probably seven days before he left instead, if anything happened to me, Mom, this is the person that did it, and that is what he takes me. Okay, And Michael gave you a name. He gave a name. I had talked the police, but for some reason they won't him. Don't you find that kind of odd? I mean, he tells you that he's worried about someone doing something to him, and he gives you a name, and then he disappears. That's very concerning. I'm sure you were probably concerned when he first told you this. I find this to be a very odd situation. Would you agree? Yes? I did, and a very odd But I want to my son about the intivision And my son said to me, I know, Mom, I know, And that was on the money. He came to my office. Amind him. He spoke about it, and he says, yes, I know. And he told him about what he's playing when alist was over and behind him, what he wants to do with his life. And that was when he's disapputed. Right now, take me up until the day that he disappeared. From what I've read online, he worked at a restaurant, he got terminated, and then he came and spoke to you at your job. And this was on June the

17:15 seventh or something like that of last year and a little after ten am. Does that sound correct? Correct? Okay, Tuesday, June the seventh, correct, Yes, that was tu and then you never saw him again. That's what I've read based on media sources. Now did they get it right or is there anything missing from their reporting? That is coc my son let me at ten we looked the video pamists wherever and we saw him well at board at ten fifteen and we could bite him until the fucking in seventeen allows ofthings cameras did around the company out Worth and now the posts saying he was on about a syclem we never seen about cycle. They sent me a picture.

18:02 The emailed me last night saying she saw a young man on a bicycle and she said he's such a darker and he doesn't look like person. And I said, we had to picture bone up and because at one time profit investigator was listening into this, and I said the picture was blown up and it was not Michael, I said, but the police said he and so evidently they don't got to know where my son and it was different closed and left with the young man on the bicycle was a darker intellection. He had different clothes on, he didn't have a shirt owned. But they said that was Michael. And you're absolutely positive that man reported on that bicycle was not your son. Oh, I'm there possitive. Even the lady didn't even know.

18:45 Last night from a ditting person or something emailed me and said, do you have a better photo because this person is much darker than the individuals they do have about it, because I have a from picture of Michael live there and she said, he just it doesn't look like the same person. Well it wasn't, and they want I tried to tell police, this is not Michael on this bicycle, but they want to say it is those Now, let me go back to the day that he visited you, the last time that she saw him. Was there something specific that he had to tell you, I mean, other than just telling you that he got terminated from his job. Was there something else that he wanted to tell you, or was it that he had just come by just to say hello to you. Michael always come back, like I said, he came back to see me money.

19:36 He came by Tuesday to tell me he had been let go at his job. But they were being very treacherous with two things they would do and the first time Michael had been tied before. But he, y'all wouldn't go get a best job, did the job he had before the end. So he came by to tell me that he had got terminated. He said, well, and because with our work, I know a lot of people that I got that one. And so he said, mom, I got let gold. And I said, well, okay, but you know, I don't know what The weirdest thing for me is that they will saved. Michael left that bank and committed society. It's what the police want to say.

20:18 But if he committed suicide, where is his body? That's what the judge says. We fight every three months in the court system, and that's what judge says. I will not rule his death of society because that was her court that all this was staying out there. And she said, that's not the mister Smith. I know he never miss the court appearance. He would always presentle And she said, I will not rule his death for suicide because they're trying to say that Michael left. My babe got on a bicycle which we pulled. Was not his bodicycle, rode to the Broadway Bridge and jump. We have a witness that said she saw him at four o'clock back of his house. The police were in an end ofview person. Yes, I saw that he was getting his mail. Correct, Yes he was getting the mail, and the witness saw him. But the thing of it is what we're having problems with. It is all that we've had private investigator listen to all of this and the ever dis that we have with the then it the police still will not listen to it. They would not see anything about it to keep saying he kills himself. They will not interview the witness. The sheriff Department called me because so they were nice and they were going to look into it. They tell the Sheriff Partment they interviewed the witness and she had d as wrong. The witness that I never spoke to the police about the introdet. So it's so much. I don't know why. If it's he's

21:51 created to hide by the lie, Why a person that's not my son on a bid shield to try to convince me mother, But this is her turn. So all the going out my son that this Houston works six days of the T's of wind District in Houston. He gets on Friday. He drives him for seven hours to leave a couple and him and I go out in any abandoned house, any woods, and we think that you try a body. We have been I have been in weeds up to my base looking for my son. I have not gotten any cooperation from the police. The only thing I had was operation for a while from a private investigator and he told me I'm going ahead beside my son. After a month, I said, months or two. He found out a lot of information. He disappears.

22:45 He don't even speak to me anymore. So I don't know what he found out. But he crossed his account. He didn't even tell me another branch Paul to tell me here close as account, and he left and he will have any more in contact with me. So if every time I get somebody to investigate my son disappearance, the only thing I ask people, I just want to find his body. I just want to find my son Sidy. They were looking through it, and whenever they found out, they will not huntach me anymore or take my fun house. And I mean the police department, the sheriff department. I've spoken to the U A. Marshall. I have called wherever that man is always on the news, CROC the Crocs.

23:30 I have emailed him. I have emailed CNS. Only thing I ask people help me to lookate my son because the police clams up anybody, everybody that looks into Michael's disappearance. And so that's where I am with my son, and I will do it. We investigate, we talk to people, We go through houses, and like I said, I work all week. I'm six fives now and I'm crawling in abandoned houses. But I'm looking for my son. I even had an ex publishman and said, I'm paying for your see a weapon license because it's one of my customers, so you can go out there and be armed. So I'll do everything that I can to find Michael and bring home. After I had asked Sherry about Michael having any types of concerns about someone that may want to harm him, she did say that there was someone that Michael had issues with. I wanted to find out more about this individual and possibly find out what could have led up to this person doing something to Michael. We'll take a final break and return with Sherry's comments on this person who Michael had concerns about. Now, going back to the guy that Michael was concerned about, have you ever spoken to this individual?

25:06 Have you ever asked, hey, did you do something on my son? Yes, we are, yes we have, and what did this person tell you? Yes, we do know some of the information about an individual, and we think that inviduals at alved it. But for some reason, the police were not even questioned in an individual. Now we did have the pidd to the individual and they was the hostile. They made a comment that the only problem they just upset. I think that they came on his body. So basically they feel like, because you could found the body, you can't charge you the body within me. But for us, the police knows he haven't helped it at all. And what is Michael's official status? So just to confirm he's considered missing? Is that correct? Yes, I'll find doing the temp. So law enforcement did accept your missing person's report? I know in some cases they don't always accept them. Oh they accepted that. Yes, yes, But if you go out there on the missing profile, because in the US database, David Night givement address, they make it seem like he was homeless day said he was on a bicycle. It's so vague of Michael. They just put something out there to what they did because I wouldn't even alone, so they just put they wouldn't even say his last known address.

26:34 They left that blank. And they had all the information. They had all the information. So for now it's basically just you and your son, Cedric, who's a former marine, that are actually outlooking for your son. Yes, yes, I definitely do the same as something happened to one of my brothers. And so just to clarify, Michael is the youngest, correct, Cedric is one of his older brothers. Yes, he's the baby. He's the baby. So one of your three sons is Cedric the oldest, or is e Cedric the middle son, and Michael's the youngest. No, each one of my kids are three and a half years apart. So I have him forty five, the forty three, and Michael will be forty this year. So he comes home and like I said, I have his back.

27:27 If he's in the houses, I'm standing outside watching it because we'd be in some very bad areas, but we are there together. Well, I definitely would not advise you to go out alone looking for Michael, it could be dangerous for you. No, No, I go with my sons because my son he's gone, and I have relatives that want to come. But I have five hundred nieces and nephews. It's five generations, it's five hundred of them. But right now, I don't want a lot of commotions. I don't want the focus to come off of what we're trying to do. So right now it's just my self and Cedric. We go out and look, and we will continue to look until we signed him. I definitely don't blame me for your efforts. Now, tell me when was the moment that you realized that there was something wrong with Michael. What made you come to the conclusion that he's missing or something bad has happened to him Michael, Like we said, it's a person that communicate. And so when Michael left my office at Tuesday, I hadn't heard from him. Win Then Thursday I called his significant other and asked us. She said, oh, he hasn't been home as my casualist. She said, oh, I haven't seen him.

28:45 And I'm like, you haven't seen him and she's like no. So I called her that Friday and then I tried to call his phone, and he kept going straight to voicemail or straight to something. And so by Friday, I still hadn't hear it from Michael, and that was not like Michael. So I knew then it had been three days. Something wasn't late, something was not right. And so I went and fouled a missing person because, like I said, Michael, no matter what, he would communicate, and I hadn't hear it from him in three days, so I knew something was wrong. Something had to be wrong. Now, where are all of his personal possessions? Where's the stuff at? Now? The p I wouldn't picked it up from her, and it's here. It's here in my house in a box labeled I have his personal possessions here with me. Was there anything missing that you would have expected to be there? I mean, like a wallet or something important like that. Did you get his wallet back, his phone? Did you get those type of important items back? Okay? According to them, I guess he jumped with the wallet because I haven't seen a wallet, okay. And the police said they had two witnesses three I don't know, supposed to see a black man John. They said he pulled off his t shirts, threw it on the ground along with his backpack, and jumped into a river. They supposedly had a search team out there to look

30:19 for him, but did not find anything. One year later, seven people have either had boat axes, is or whatever they got to the river. But Mikey and what the police told me, you may never find him. It's what I was told him. But they said the backpack he had, which my PI said when he looked at the pictures, the backpack that he left the banquet wasn't the backpack the police had. He blew up the picture from the bank. It was similar that he showed us. He said, you see the difference in the pictures sold. He was a very different PI. But whatever he found out, he quit and went away. But the only I have gotten of Michael is his clothes that was left at the house or as anything else before he came up disappeared. He said, Mama, I lost my phone. It was said that Michael went and after he lost the phone, which he's they suspicious to meet, purchased another phone cell phone, but never activated. He had the phone supposedly from Saraday to Tuesday.

31:26 So who loses the phone on a sterday without looking for it to just immediately go by you another one and never activated. But that's what was said. He had no cell phone and didn't have his bank cards, so he couldn't have access to money, and you don't know where any of those items are now. No, the police said that they supposedly pinged his phone, but he was dead or something they said was cut off, and another one was never activated as all that was said. So the whole big thing for them was to convince me that he committed suicide. And I'm telling them as a mother, I know my child. If my child is telling me what they look for in the future. I'm not a psychologist, but my daughter m always a psychologist. And the way she told me, a person just giving me to commit suicide have no hope. They don't think about the future because they don't see one. Michael was telling me what he planned to do once this was over, So why would he go kill himself when he was being optimistic about his life. Now you're saying that there were supposedly a couple of witnesses that saw Michael jump into the river. How do they know it was him. I'm just curious as to how they were able to identify your son.

32:49 Did they pick him out of a photo lineup or something? No, Okay, this is the most interesting part ever. They supposed to be on the bridge and when they were on the bridge, they said they saw a black man having walked. He was coming from Okay, he was parting to the police. He had teen twenty six minutes to get to four miles, so they said the pct PIA said there was no way to leave my location and walked to the Broadway Bridge in that time frame. So they put him advice. So then the wizesses said he was coming. He went all the way across the little rock side, walking back across, because if you one side his little rode one side his gonfl off. They said he walked all the way across the little rock side and was to the nofler rock side to come back on the other side to jump, and they was passing him.

33:45 So when they passed him, they said they saw a person take off the shirt, drop a backpack, hollerize something and go in the water, bob back up one time, never seen again. Okay. Now supposed to there's two or three witnesses, but only one called nine one one so, and they said that they would be there when the police came. So when the norflal Rock police came, Lil Rock didn't know about this for two weeks. That so someone's supposed to have jumped on the Norvla Rock side. Will Rock. After two weeks of me having reported my side them and no sightings, someone anonymously called the Little Rock police and said that you realize that on the date of Tick steven, someone jumped on the Norfhalock side. They got an anonymous pill. That's how Little Rocks found out there's somebody's supposed to jump on the norval Rock side. Was two weeks letter from someone calling him and then they go to the Norvla Rock side called them go pick up the evidence that Little Rock sides that they had norval Our side head and give it to the Little Rock side. They're supposed to been a shirt, the pen from my job, and a charger that was supposed to be in the backpack now larger.

35:10 The Rock does not list anything in the backpack, the witness said. When they opened it to see could they identify anybody or was there any identifications, they said it was just one backpack. When Little Rock gets it. It's a backpack, it's a shirt, it's I think two shirts, a pen and a charger, nor the rock. Just say it's a backpack, a whole bunch of things that don't add up. That's where we are. Yeah. So, if anyone out there that's listening to this podcast episode and they decide that they want to call in a tip, what law enforcement agency would they need to contact? Oh? Lord, you still have to call it Little Rock. They had it out there. It's out there on one of the sites the number to call. Because you can't call the Novel Rock, you have to call the Love Police, plumb. Okay. So just to clarify, there's two police departments out there. There's the North Little Rock and then Little Rock two. Jefferd instance, Yes, all right, and then let me ask you about your social media presence. Are you using Facebook or TikTok or anything like that to help get the story out about your son?

36:28 I don't have a Facebook patient, Michael. On my birthday, I just put out there that I was five and I have been looking for my son in one year, and that I asked social media in the fifty escape what they helped me to look at my son and within that two point one million people have reached after me just in that app alone. That was oh, June to tenth and and so in lit over a week, and it's still growing. People are reaching out to me. Four and Little Lark has reached out to me Channel eleven and waiting for an interview for me Channel stick che eleven. I have faced him on missing website a probably five different websites.

37:14 That's a great idea. As a matter of fact, that's how I saw Michael's story. I have placed my sons anywhere we have walked. My son came in. We made up flyers. We have walked the street and put flyers out. They have tore them down, some people not wanting them up. So anything that you could think, we at one point offered a reward when he first came a missing I mean anything you think that a mother can do to find her son. I have done it. Like I said, I have email, I have called, I have spoke, I have asked because, like I said, I only want his body back. I'm not interested in with being I'm not interested is who did or who didn't do.

38:04 I'm just listened to my son when I walk down the street, if I see someone I feel in my heart my son is to see. If I see someone that's five seven, one hundred and thirty pounds wet, it makes me take a second look because unless you know for sure, that's always a little bit of hope that maybe he is alive when I know in my heart he isn't. I just need some closure, and it's all I ask for. That's all I ask the police. But just let me have closure for me and his children because they had a Father's Day that they don't have a father. They don't know where he is, okay. And the last question that I would have for you is for anyone that's out there listening to this podcast episode, if they know anything about what happened to your son, Michael, and you could speak to that person or persons, what would you like to say to those individuals? I said, there is a sight out there that we placed on social media and it has a phone number. You don't have to tell me who you are. You don't have to even tell me where you live. Just tell me where my son is so I can go and get him. But all I want I don't want to name.

39:23 I don't want to know who was involved. I just want to know where my son is, Michael Edvards Deith. That's all I want. As a mother. I tell people all the time, I'm just a bear that was in the wood bothering nobody, but someone messed with her curb and now I am a grizzly bear. I will not stop till I tie my cub so someone can help me stop. I will easily come out the woods and stop. But until then, I'm a grizzly bear in the woods looking for her cub. That's all I have to say. And that concludes Michael's story.

40:05 If you haven't already listened to the first half, please go back and listen. Have you seen Michael. He is described as being five foot ten and weighing around one hundred and thirty pounds. His family is desperately searching for him, and they do believe that he is deceased, but they want to locate him so that they can give him a proper burial and they can stop searching for him. If you know anything about Michael's disappearance, please contact the Little Rock Police Department at five zero one three seven one four six zero five. There is also a reward for any information leading to Michael's whereabouts. I will also provide this information in the case story notes. And if you are apparent law enforcement official, friend, or relative seeking justice for an unsolved Thomas side case, please visit my website and complete the contact form. You can also contact me through Facebook. Thank you for listening.