Episode 184: Michael Smith (Part 1 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. For nearly
eight years, I've written a weekly

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newspaper column about true crimes and missing
people for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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With the column and podcast, it
has always been my objective to bring

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attention to those cases that have not
received much media attention, if any at

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all. This week's story involves a
thirty eight year old Little Rock, Arkansas

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man named Michael Smith, who vanished
on June seventh, two twenty two.

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He was last seen visiting his mother, who worked at a local bank.

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He had let her know that his
employer had just terminated him. After Michael

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left his mother's place of employment,
she would never see him again. This

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is the first part of a two
part story. Please be sure to listen

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to the conclusion next week. Michael
Smith was a thirty eight year old Little

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Rock, Arkansas man who was the
youngest of three sons. He was also

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a father of four. Michael's parents
are Sherry Smith Riggins in the late Eddie

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Smith, who died when Michael was
a teenager. Michael would last be seen

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on June seventh, twenty twenty two
at ten fifteen am. He had just

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lost his job at the Whole Hog
Cafe on Cantrell Road. After leaving his

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former job, he had visited with
his mother at her banking job on Rebsimon

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Park Road to tell her. Michael
was especially close to his mother and kept

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in regular contact with her after he
left her place of employment. No one

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has seen Michael since. Sherry described
her son as a good son. She

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did say he did have some problems, as we all do, but she

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did say that he was a hard
working young man who was especially close to

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his dad when he was a teenager. Michael and his dad, Eddie,

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were both huge NBA fans and shared
a mutual love for basketball. When Michael

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was younger, Eddie had worked with
his son so that he could possibly play

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professional basketball in the future. Michael
spent much of his youth playing basketball in

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high school and junior college. Sadly, Michael playing professional basketball would be a

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dream that Eddie would not live long
enough to see. Eddie was electrocuted while

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cutting down a tree in nineteen ninety
eight. The loss would deeply affect Michael,

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as he was biggest supporter and his
son's biggest fan. Eventually, Michael

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would give up on his dream of
playing professional basketball and leave college without earning

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a degree. His mother said that
he would just end up taking a series

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of different jobs and focus more on
financially supporting his children and looking out for

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his mother. Michael's case is controversial. According to his mother, law enforcement

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claims that Michael was last seen riding
on a bicycle and then possibly committing suicide

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by jumping into a river. There
were witnesses who saw an unidentified man jumping

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into a local river. Sherry has
been told by law enforcement that Michael may

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have committed suicide. Sherry disputes this. She has said that she has seen

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a blown up photo of the man
on the bike that was supposedly Michael.

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She said the man on the bike
was a darker skinned man and he definitely

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was not her son, as police
claim. She also said there is no

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confirmation that the man who jumped into
the river was her son. Another source

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of contention between law enforcement and Michael's
family is that a witness is said to

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have seen Michael checking his mail sometime
between four twenty and four forty pm on

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the day that he disappeared. According
to Sherry, law enforcement has never spoken

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to this witness. I had asked
Sherry if Michael had any enemies. She

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did tell me that he was concerned
for his life. He had told his

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mother that if anything ever happened to
him, then law enforcement needed to look

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at someone that he had mentioned.
Sherry has given this name to law enforcement

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and doesn't believe they have considered this
person as a suspect and Michael's disappearance.

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Today, Sherry and her son Cedric
spend many hours looking in abandoned houses and

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speaking to people trying to figure out
what happened to Michael. Unfortunately, Sherry's

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motherly instincts have told her that her
son is deceased. She is now pleading

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for the public to help her recover
his body so that he can receive a

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proper burial if she can stop searching
for Michael. This is the first half

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of the two parts story. Be
sure to listen to the conclusion next week.

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And now on with the story of
Michael Smith, as told by his

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mother, Sherry Smith Riggins. Michael
was born September twenty six, nineteen eighty

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three, in Little Rock, Arkansas, and his father's name was If she's

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deceased, Eddie James Smith and of
course I'm Sherry L. Smith Riggins.

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He owns a tree business service and
he was elected to cut in the tree

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down where Michael was fourteen. Eddie
died September to seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight,

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to very day that he was injured. He only lived probably five hours.

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He died in surgery. Michael was
very close to his dad. They

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had a passion for basketball. My
husband played basketball in high school and college

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and Michael hut the same love.
And he studied with Michael when he was

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probably about five years old, getting
him ready to play basketball. And Michael

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had a love for it and he
played high school, he went on to

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junior college, played in California.
He played AAU So that was his passion.

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Who is Michael's favorite NBA team?
Well, Michael liked the Chicago Bulls,

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and his dad before his death took
him too. I think they remember.

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No, my husband was a Larry
Bird fan. Okay, Larry Bird

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and Magic Johnson. Oh, that
was definitely a great rivalry back in the

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day. Yes, So Michael was
basically left handed. My husband toldy,

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you could not favor one hand,
and I could see seeing him with two

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basketballs and they would dribble. Even
my husband put a half of a court

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in our backyard and May had a
poorble concrete, so we could go out

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there and practice with Michael. So
it was a love that they both shared.

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And Michael was lost when his dad
died, and that's the truth.

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And so I had started going to
the games and screaming, and after Eddie

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died, so I had to pick
up where my husband left off, and

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I did. So that is a
little bit about Eddie as Michael's love.

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Like I said, he lost his
death when he was fourteen getting ready to

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turn fifteen. Mikey was turning fifteen
to twenty six. And like I said,

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because my husband was it was an
accident the death. They had to

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take him, of course to the
Crown lab and time we got him back

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and it was a while, but
I didn't want to bury him on his

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son's fifteenth birthday, so I buried
him two days for Michaels fifteenth Thursday.

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And so I made a deal with
Michael. If you didn't get into any

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trouble, you didn't get anybody treadman
and would go finish Holy and go to

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college. I would not marry anybody. Well, I'm kild youth for in

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school. So he kept his from
us and I kept mine. And what

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year did Michael graduate from high school? Come to Central High? Okay?

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So two thousand and two. So
he's been out of high school for over

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twenty years. And I'm assuming that
he went to high school in Arkansas?

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Is that correct? Correct? Little
Rock? Ark? Him South? Did

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he play basketball all through high school? All through high school? In fact,

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I'm in his room. I've re
married in everything, but I bought

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his trophies. I'm looking Michael has
so many trophies from basketball. He played

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AAU. I'm just looking at so
many trophies that Mikey got while he played

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basketball. Bat about with the fashions. I can remember back in the day,

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when I was in my twenties,
I was a pretty big basketball fan,

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and I used to watch a lot
of the NBA games. I grew

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up watching Michael Jordan, Hakim Elijahan, Shaquille O'Neill, big stars like that.

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And what's funny is I can remember
people talking about NBA players as if

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basketball wasn't let's say, as athletic
of a sport is say baseball or football,

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and I've always disagreed with those people
that have that opinion because as someone

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who has played basketball, I mean
I just played in school and things like

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that, but just playing full court. People who've never played have no idea

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how much endurance that takes to be
able to play full court. Running up

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and down the court takes a lot
of energy. And I don't think a

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lot of people understand just how athletic
these guys really are. In my opinion,

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NBA play ye are probably the most
athletic and gifted athletes of all the

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professional major sports leagues. So now, tummy, I guess at the time,

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when Michael was young and he had
dreams of playing professional basketball, was

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one of his dreams actually to make
it into the NBA one day? Yes,

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yes, Michel was gonna be a
spud web. Mikey was number one

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about five seven, But like I
said, his father was good, and

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so he ended up doing basketball and
poe voting. I think that's what you

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call it. Anyway, he missed
up his career because the pole broken.

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I think he missed up his ligaments
and stuff in his leg. Into still

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had the same love of all spits, but he loved basketball with his dad,

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and his dad was preparing him for
the NBA. But like I said,

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I know he's being about the sport. But when Eddie God, it

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shifted because he had no one to
lead it. I didn't know what schools

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to tend him too, of what
to do. Central would ask it because

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he played aau Park View was asking
for him. I had all these schools

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asking for him, and if Eddie
had have been here, he would have

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guided him better than what I did. I sent him this Central. It

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was chaotic, but it did not
deter him from the love of the game.

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He paid three on three tournaments and
they would win and anything where it

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was shooting basketball, Michael did it
and Michael loved it. But he didn't

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go to the NBA. But like
I said, if his dad had lived,

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I think he would have gone.
He would have made it because he

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would have had the right guidance,
said his mother. I don't care what

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a mother does. She can love
her son, but she can't teach him

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how to be a man. And
that's where he only had fourteen years of

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his father's guided But still his d
taught him a lot of things because he

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would have those boys to go up
with him and he would pay them to

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cut trees. They can cut the
trees, but he bought them a full

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willers have made it fun so they
could haul it and put it on a

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full wheeler, and they take time
to driving it in and stacking it.

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He tell them how to work.
He tell them disponsability and how to work.

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It. Sounds like Eddie was a
great role model for Michael when Michael's

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growing up, and a lot of
young men aren't fortunate enough to have a

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positive male role model in their life
as a teenager, Michael was certainly lucky

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to have a dad who wanted to
help him try to achieve his dreams.

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Eddie Smith was a positive role model
in Michael's life growing up. Unfortunately,

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Eddie died while Michael was a teenager. The person who inspired Michael to be

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great was no longer in Michael's life. He would then begin and to lean

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on his mother more, but she
knew that she would be limited in what

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she could teach him, as she
believes that a mother cannot teach a son

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how to be a man. We
will take a short break and listen to

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Sherry describe how Michael's life would unfold
without his father's guidance. Eddie was wonderful.

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He loved his son and he was
teaching them how to be a man.

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Keller did like the Bible did.
At the age of twelve, he

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would tell me, because we had
three sons, okay, it's time for

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me to take a older and to
teach him how to be a man,

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because you can't teach him how to
be a man. You can teach him

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how to be soft, but you
can't teach him how to be a man.

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So at twelve he was so talking
about what it takes to become a

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man, right, because there's a
lot of things that a mother can teach

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your son, but one thing that
she cannot teach him is how to be

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a man. And on Father's Day, I went out with my youngest son

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and we had a conversation about this, and he told me there were things

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that he learned from his mother,
but there were things that he learned from

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me that he could not have learned
from his mother. Unfortunately, a lot

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of young men in America grow up
without a positive male role model in their

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life, and that's definitely a huge
problem in America, and that's why there

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were so many young men in prison. During my time in social services,

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where I spent over eleven years in
that field, I had taken a class

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and the instructor had told me that
nearly every man in prison has one thing

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in common, regardless of their ethnicity. The one thing they had in common

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is that they all grew up without
a positive male role model in their lives.

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And what I really find disheartening about
today's society when it comes to men,

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is that a lot of people have
the belief that a man is not

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needed in the house, or a
son doesn't need a positive male role model

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in his life. Now, I
realize that there are a lot of situations

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where there isn't a male role model
in the home for various reasons. But

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if there is a possibility for a
young man to have his father in his

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life, and this father is a
good man who can teach his son how

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to be a man, that's a
good thing. It's always going to be

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a good thing. Now, going
back to Michael's professional basketball aspirations, when

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did he realize that he wasn't going
to play professional basketball? When did that

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happen in his life? Michael,
his coach was terminated for playing with ineligible

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players. So they got a new
coach in the twelfth grade, Michael Swift

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year. And most coaches have their
favorite team. And anyway, Michael ended

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up going to Columbia in California just
been years now. I think he played

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at a junior college and some I'm
mistaken is how he ended up at same

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college in California, and that coach
ended up getting in trouble. And then

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Michael just lost heart every time he
got a coach that he right or whatever.

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I don't know. Maybe I don't
know why. He just lost face

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with playing basketball after three years and
he just came home. He just didn't

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want to do it anymore. And
I guess that was it because that coach

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was also terminated. He did something. I don't fig out what he did

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at the school. So Michaels went
from the high school of losing his twelfth

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grade coach that he had from the
nice to the twelve then he lost his

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three year coach and so he just
came home. And what did Michael do

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after he came home to earn his
degree while he was in college. No,

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he was like one year of getting
his degree, and so he came

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in and I guess he had enough
hours of whatever. He started working at

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the VA. And this is so
many years ago, so brief, forgive

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me, but I know he had
him a nice job at the VA and

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he was making very good money.
What did he do at the VA hospital

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and had something to do with help? It wasn't like he worked in the

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kitchen. They had something to do
with nutrition. So did you do something

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like the work of a dietitian something
like that at the VA was something like

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that. Michael had some good jobs
through his career. Even that's around and

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we owned the business and he read
that. That's what he did when he

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first came in. We had a
business that my oldest son started and when

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Mikey first came out of college,
that's what he did. We had a

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checkcash and bill payments center. We
had two locations and Mikey ran one of

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them for pot four years or five
when he came back. So that's what

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he did. That tells you send
a while I have to see, I'm

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sixty five, I'm doing good.
But he did for I think five years.

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He did that and he was very
good at it. And then he

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went to the VA after that and
worked at the VA. Now tell me

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about his personal life. Did Michael
ever get married? I mean, I

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know he had kids. Zat Michael
had children. Okay, Michael never got

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married. He got engaged, but
they never got married. Michael got involved

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with a young lady and they had
two children, and he had two other

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children. Okay, Michael, he
had the son of seventeen and the daughter

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that is fifteen, another and there's
fourteen and one twelve, a things and

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something like them. But he ended
up a four kids, and he ended

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up with the young lady that has
two children by because she had the first

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two bylmes. That's who he was
with when he disappeared, the one that

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had his first two children. So
that's the person who was with when they

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disappeared and they came became engaged.
The one that had the other one she

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married somebody else, and the other
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up with his first two children's mom. Okay, so he had four children

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buy three different women. Is that
correct? Yes? Yes? Now was

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he on good terms with all the
mothers? Yeah, because he was all

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any time they would come to my
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In fact, they go to school
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they say they are like they twins, just from a different mother. So

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those kids get along. So there
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And didn't paid child support, so
it wasn't like he was a dead

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be dead might paid child support.
He took care of all his children.

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Percentages came out. He had percentages
coming to each one of those kids up

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until he disappeared. He I wish
paid child support. He never not took

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care of his children and he would
always go even though he had a bad

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relationship with the one he was with
owning off, he always would take care

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of his children and did what was
necessary with his kids. They can never

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say he was dead to be bad. He loved his kid if he didn't

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do nothing as he loved his children, and he was there because he knew

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what it took when he lost his
father, you didn't know how to fail.

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So Michael was always in his kid's
life. In fact, I text

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each one of them for Father's Day, and so I have found out to

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my pastors, if you were taught
something, it's not hard to give it.

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It's harder to give something you were
not given too. So his dad

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and him had a good relationship.
So it was not hard to give back

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what you received. That makes sense. I definitely agree with that. So

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Michael sounds like a pretty good guy. Now, did he ever have any

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legal issues or any type of trouble
with a law anything like that. Now,

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I'm not gonna paint a martyr out
of my stuf. I have to

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tell the truth about my stuff.
Like I said, my sign and his

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significant others, he had troubles.
It all started made the age of twenty

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one. They had one car.
Now they had a house. They both

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stayed in this house and raised their
children. Was raising their kids. He

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took the car, and he took
the car. He didn't come back,

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and she missed a poor plummer.
She called the police and said he was

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driving the car, was the our
permission. When Michael came in, she

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called the police and said he's in
the driveway. The police shows up,

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She's looking at him through the plumb
on her door door. Then, so

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when the police come up, they
asked him what is he doing. He

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says, I'm trying to get in
the house. But she had locked the

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doors and he couldn't get an ounced. So they asked him, was this

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his car? He said, yeah, this is me and my girl's car.

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I live here, and it just
kept going and kept going. So

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they're going to step out, and
he asked them what did he do?

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It's out there YouTube. So from
there, one of the cops ended up

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pulling the gun on him, ended
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Out of the German hit him up. He got shot. He was shot

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in the artery. The car took
off. The police said that he was

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fleeing. He hit a pole because
he was like out. He was in

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the hospital. They charged him.
Was playing we had to get a lawyer.

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A lot of it was dropped that
he went from a million dollar bell

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to a twenty thousand dollars bear and
then she she bails him out. The

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person that call up early bails him
out. So yeah, and that was

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pending. That's a lot. Yeah, that was pending. And the prosecutor

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was saying that discussed. Since he
been missing, they've been talking that she

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was playing two in the middle.
She would tell the lawyer we hired one

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thing, and the prosecutor another thing. She tell his lawyer that this is

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her fiance, She's not gonna do
anything to hurt him. But yet she

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killed a prosecutor. I'm afraid to
say anything. So the prosecutor said they

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could the trust. So they were
just going to offer him a plea deal

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of probation for a while and if
you get into normal trouble, get wiped

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off your case and all that kind
of stuff. But we never got to

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that because he came up missing.
I had asked Sherry if Michael had any

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enemies or if he was in fear
of anyone before he disappeared. His mother

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told me that there was one individual
who Michael had an issue with, and

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if anything were to happen to him, then the police would need to look

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at this individual. We'll take a
final break and listen to Sherry discussed the

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moments leading up to when she last
saw her son alive. Okay, so

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did Michael have any enemies that you
knew about? Was there anyone that was

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mad at him or possibly someone might
have wanted to harm Michael? Was there

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anything like that going on in his
life that you knew about. Mikey takes

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me probably seven days before he left, and said, if anything happened to

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me, Mama, this is the
person they did it, and that is

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what he might from. Takes me
okay, and Michael gave you a name.

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He gave a name, but for
some reason they won't they won't him.

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Don't you find that kind of odd? I mean, he tells you

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that he's worried about someone doing something
to him, and he gives you a

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name, and then he disappears.
That's very concerning. I'm sure you were

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probably concerned when he first told you
this. I find this to be a

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very odd situation. Would you agree, Yes, I'd be and a very

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odd. But I wanted my son
about the individual. And my son said

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to me, I know, Mom, I know. And that was on

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the money, he says, I
know. We talked about He came to

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my office and mind him, he
spoke about it, and he says,

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yes, I know. And he
told him about what he played when Alis

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was over and behind him, what
he wanted to do with his life.

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And that was when he disappeared.
Right now, take me up until the

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day that he disappeared. From what
I've read online, he worked at a

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restaurant, he got terminated, and
then he came and spoke to you at

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your job. And this was on
June the seventh or something like that of

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last year, and a little after
ten am. Does that sound correct?

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Correct? Okay, Tuesday, June
the seventh, Yes, that was Tuesday,

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and then you never saw him again. That's what I've read based on

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media sources. Now did they get
it right or is there anything missing from

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their reporting that is correct? My
son left me at ten. We looked

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at the video cameras wherever, and
we saw him. We act bore at

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ten fifteen and we could bite him
until the parting in seventeen. A lot

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of servilis cameras said around the company. I would for and now the post

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said he was on a bicycle.
We never seen a bicycle. They sent

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me a picture. They emailed me
last night see and she saw a young

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man on a bicycle and she said, he's such a darker and he doesn't

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look like person. And I said, we had to pitch a bone up

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and because at one time Providi vestigator
was looking into this, and I said

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the picture was blown up and it
was not Michael, but the police said

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he And so evidently they don't got
to know where my son the bud and

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it was different closed and left with
the young man on the bicycle was a

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dark intellection. He had different clothes
on. He didn't have a shirt own,

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but they said that was Michael.
And you're absolutely positive that man reported

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on that bicycle was not your son. Oh, I'm never possible. Even

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the lady didn't even know last height
from a ding person or something. Emailed

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me and said, do you have
a better photo because this person is much

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darker than the individuals they do have
about it, because I haven't from pictures

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of Michael live there. And she
said it just it doesn't look like the

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same person. Well it wasn't.
And that's when I tried to tell police,

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this is not Michael on this bicycle. What he wanted to say it

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is though, Okay, now let
me go back to the day that he

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visited you, the last time that
she saw him. Was there something specific

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that he had to tell you,
I mean, other than just telling you

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that he got terminated from his job. Was there something else that he wanted

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to tell you or was it that
he had just come by just to say

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hello to you. Michael always come
back, Like I said, he came

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back to see me money. He
came by, choose to tell me he

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had been let gold at his job. But they were being very treacherous with

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some things they would do, and
this not the first time. Michael had

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been started before. But he all
wouldn't go get a best job. There's

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a job he had before the end. So he just came by to tell

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me that he had got terminated.
He said, well and customed our work.

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I know a lot of people that
I got that one. And so

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he just a mom I got let
gold and I said, well, okay,

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but you know, I don't know
where. The thing for me is

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that they will say Michael left that
bank and committed society. It's what the

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police want to say. But if
he committed suicide, where is his body?

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That's what the judge says. We
fight every three months is a court

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system, and that's what judge says. I will not use his death of

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society because that was her court that
all this was not there. And she

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said, that's not the mister Smith. I know he never mister cut a

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parents. He would always presentle.
He didn't look like a thug. And

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she said, I would not rule
he had death for suicide because they're trying

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to say that mighty left. My
babe got on a bicycle which we pulled.

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Was not his bodicycle. Rode to
the Broadway Bridge and jump. We

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have a witness that said she saw
him at four o'clock back at his house.

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The police weren't an end of the
fifth person. Yes, I saw

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that he was getting his mail.
Correct, Yes he was getting the mail,

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and the witness saw him. But
the thing of it is, well,

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we'll have a problems with is all
that We've had private investigator listen to

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all of this, and the ever
dis that we have with the then it

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the police still will not listen to
it. They would not spay anything about

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it, to keep saying he kills
himself. They will not interview the wit

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is the sheriff department called me because
okay, I opened their account, so

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they were nice and they were going
to look into it. They tell the

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sheriff department they interviewed the witness and
she had her day's wrong. The witness

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says, I never spoke to the
police about the introdut So it's so much.

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I don't know why. If it's
he's created suicide by the live why

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a person that's not my son or
a bid shield to try to convince me

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mother, But this is her turn. So all the going out my son

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that this Houston works six days of
the teas of winder Shriet in Houston.

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He gets on Friday, he drives
him for seven hours to leave the couple

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and him and I go out in
any abandoned house, any wood that we

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think that you try a body.
We have been. I have been in

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weeds up to my base looking for
my son. I have not gotten me

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any cooperation from the police. The
only thing I had was operation for a

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while from a private investigator and he
told me I'm going ahead and find my

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son. After a month, I
say months or two, he found out

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a lot of information. He disappeared. He don't even speak to me anymore.

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So I don't know what he found
out. But he closed his account.

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He didn't even tell me. Another
branch called to tell me he closed

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as account and he left and he
will have any more contact with me.

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So every time I get somebody to
investigate, my son disappeared. The only

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thing I asked people, I just
want to find his body. I just

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want to find my son's body.
They were looking through it and whenever they

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found out, they were not huntack
me anymore or take my fought house.

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And I mean the police demparted the
sheriff Department. I've spoken to the US

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Marshall. I have called wherever they
Man's alway on the news Cross the Cross,

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I have emailed him, I have
emailed CNS anything. I ask people

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help me to locate my son because
the police clams up anybody and everybody that

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looks into Michael's disappearance. And so
that's where I am with it. My

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son and I will do it.
We investigate, we talk to people,

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We go through houses, and like
I said, I work all week.

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I'm six fives now and I'm crawling
in abandoned houses, but I'm looking at

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my son. So I even had
an ex publishman came and said, I'm

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paying for your seal weapon license because
it's one of my customers, so you

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can go out there and be armed. So I do everything that I can

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to defend Michael and bring home.
Now, going back to the guy that

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Michael was concerned about. Have you
ever spoken to this individual? Have you

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ever asked, hey, did you
do something on my son? Yes?

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We have, Yes we have,
and what did this person tell you?

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Yes, we do know some of
the information about that individual, and we

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think that inviduals at all did but
for some reason, the police were not

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even questioned any individual. Now we
did have the p I didn't look and

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speak to the individual, and they
was doing a hostile They made a comment

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that the only problem they just upset. I think that they came on his

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body. So basically they feel like, because you could found the body,

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you can't charge anybody within me.
But for US police know we haven't helped

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it at all. And what is
Michael's official status? So just to confirm

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he's considered missing? Is that correct? Yes? Oh, my god,

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on my birthday he came in June
of US our filed to during the temp

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on my turn sixty four. A
law enforcement did accept your missing person's report.

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I know in some cases they don't
always accept them. Oh they accepted

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that, yes, yes, But
if you go out there on the missing

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profile, because in the US database, David n givement address, they make

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it seem like he was homeless day, say he was on a bicycle.

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It's so vague of Michael. They
just put something out there, That's what

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they did. Because I wouldn't even
alone, so they just put they wouldn't

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even say his last known address,
They left that blank. It does a

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lot of the type and they had
all the information. They had all of

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the information. So for now it's
basically just you and your son, Cedric,

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who's a former marine, that are
actually outlooking for your son. Yes,

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yes, I definitely do the same
if something happened to one of my

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brothers. And so just to clarify, Michael is the youngest, correct,

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Cedric is one of his older brothers. Yes, he's the baby. He's

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the baby. Each one of my
kids are three and a half years apart,

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so I have him forty five,
the forty three, and Michael will

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be forty this year. So he
comes home and like I said, I

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have his back. If he's in
the houses, I'm standing outside watching it.

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Because we've been in some very bad
areas well, I definitely would not

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advise you to go out alone looking
for Michael. It could be dangerous for

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you. No, No, I
go with my gime because my son he's

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going and I have relatives they want
to come. But I have five hundred

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nieces and nephews. It's five generations, it's five hundred of them. But

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right now, I don't want a
lot of commotions. I don't want the

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focus to come off of what we're
trying to do so right now, it's

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just my self and Cedric. We
go out and we looked, and we

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will continue to look until we signed
him. I definitely don't blame me for

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your efforts. Now, tell me
when was the moment that you realized that

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there was something wrong with Michael.
What made you come to the conclusion that

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he's missing or something bad has happened
to him Michael, Like we said,

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it's a person that communicate. And
so when Michael left my office AD Tuesday,

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I hadn't heard from him. Then
then thirsty I called his significant other

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and asked us. She said,
oh, he hasn't been home as like

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casually she said, oh, I
haven't seen him. And I'm like,

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you haven't seen him, and she's
like no. So I called her that

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Friday, and then I tried to
call his phone and he kept going straight

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to voicemail or straight to something,
and that wasn't like him to either text

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me or say something. And so
by Friday, I still hadn't hear from

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Michael, and that was not like
Michael. So I knew then it had

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been three days. Something wasn't late, something was not right. And so

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I went and fold a missing person
because, like I said, Michael,

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no matter what, he would communicate, and I hadn't heard from him in

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three days, so I knew something
was wrong, something had to be wrong.

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And that concludes the first half of
Michael Smith's story. Please listen to

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the conclusion next week. Have you
seen Michael. He has described as being

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five foot ten and weighing around one
hundred and thirty pounds. His family is

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desperately searching for him, and they
do believe that he is deceased, but

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they want to locate him so that
they can give him a proper burial and

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they can stop searching for him.
If you know anything about Michael's disappearance,

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please contact the Little Rock Police Department
at five zero one three seven one four

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six zero five. There is also
a reward for any information leading to Michael's

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whereabouts. I will also provide this
information in the case story notes. And

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if you are a parent, law
enforcement official, friend, or relative see

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Injustice for an unsolved thomicide case,
please visit my website and complete the contact

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form. You can also contact me
through Facebook. Thank you for listening.