Episode 181: Theresa Lynn Morris (Part 2 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. For nearly
eight years, I've written a weekly

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newspaper column about true crimes and missing
people for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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With the column and podcast, my
objective has always been to try to

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bring attention to the cases that haven't
received much media attention, if any.

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This week's story involves a twenty one
year old Alabama woman named Teresalyn Morris,

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who was found dead and wrapped up
in a blanket behind a Piggy Wiggly store

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in Ladonia, Alabama, on April
twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four. The

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young mother of four had vanished on
April second, ninety four. Her homicide

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has remained unsolved for nearly thirty years. This is the conclusion of a two

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part story, and if you haven't
already listened to the first half, please

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go back and listen to it.
Teresa Len Morris was a Phoenix City,

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Alabama mother of four who was found
deceased behind a Piggy Wiggly and Ladonia,

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Alabama, on April twenty eighth,
nineteen ninety four. There wasn't much left

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of her once she was found,
and what did remain of her was likely

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scattered by animals. She had been
missing since April second before she was found

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deceased. Teresa was only twenty one
years old when she died, but her

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entire life had been troubled. According
to her daughter Danica, she had her

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first child at fifteen and was also
sexually abused as a child. Teresa was

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born in California on October eighteenth,
nineteen seventy two. Her parents were Diane

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Pulaski and William Morris. According to
her daughter Danica, it was unknown whether

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or not William Morris was actually her
biological father. Teresa was a middle child

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of three. She has an older
brother named Kenneth and a younger sister named

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Melissa, who recently passed away.
Other than a tiny newspaper article in an

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Alabama newspaper, there is no information
about Teresa's death, and that is a

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major issue with telling her story and
many of the stories that I share.

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There are videos, news coverage,
and other information that I can share about

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the victim's story, and for stories
like Teresa's, these are the reasons why

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do this podcast. Teresa's story deserves
to receive as much media coverage as anyone

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else's, and since her case has
been mostly forgotten, it reduces the chances

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that her killer will ever be arrested. Teresa was the mother of four children

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who lost their mother when they were
young, so none of them have any

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warm memories of spending Mother's Day with
her, or even celebrating birthdays, holidays,

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or even just sitting around the family
dinner table having a nice dinner.

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Unfortunately, someone took her life and
has denied her children of creating any memories

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with their mother. Teresa's daughter Danica, has reached out the law enforcement for

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help and trying to find out what
happened to her mother nearly thirty years ago.

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Unfortunately, there is no longer any
genetic evidence and she doesn't have many

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people who can speak to her about
her mother's final moments alive. She was

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able to connect with the man who
found her mother's body, but he wasn't

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able to provide any useful information for
Teresa's story. I spoke to her daughter,

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Dannekah Hovey. This is the conclusion
of a two part story, and

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now on with Teresa's story as told
by her daughter Dannikah Hovey. During the

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first half of this story, I
had spoken to Teresa's daughter, Danica about

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genetic evidence being left behind. Danika
told me that there was actually genetic evidence

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left behind. Unfortunately, law enforcement
did not keep the evidence in a storage

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facility. Instead, they turned it
over to the funeral home with Teresa's remains.

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The evidence was then disposed of.
Had it been buried with Teresa's remains,

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it would then have been possible for
law enforcement to exhume Teresa's remains and

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then examine it for genetic evidence.
Janika had shared with me her frustration over

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no one's storing evidence that could have
possibly led to the arrest of her mother's

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killer. Had they had stored it
properly and kept it, they could have

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tested that. With the way technology
have come now, they could have taken

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that out of evidence and test it
to see if there was DNA on it.

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But now they can't. And I
didn't know that. I just found

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that out. I thought they had
this evidence locked away somewhere and we could

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pull it out and I know it
might take some time, but get them

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to retest it. And then I
find out. I read the report and

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everything was signed over to the funeral
home. So I called McMullan, which

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is a local funeral home here.
I called them to see if they could

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pull the report because it said that
if the clothes were sent with her in

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the body bag, that it would
have been buried with her. I was

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going to pay to get her body
exhumed, to get that stuff out of

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there and to get it tested.
Yeah, I was going to ask about

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getting her exhumed. So maybe there
is some type of evidence that remained behind

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or do you think there's a chance
that there's anything that could be useful.

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It wouldn't help us. There wasn't
enough of her left to get a right

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kid. I mean, there wasn't
enough of her, and that's the messed

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up part. I think that's really
a shame. But I think back in

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ninety four that DNA was still in
the stages of early development, So I'm

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not thinking that a lot of different
police departments were thinking about storing evidence and

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instead they just found it easier to
just dispose of it. I don't really

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know how it works out with different
police departments, but I've heard stories that

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some kept items even back from the
eighties because they figured there might be some

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type of advances and technology, while
others just one and disposed of the items.

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I don't think there was a set
standard among every police department in the

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country. I don't think there ever
has been. I think they just saw

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do whatever it is they do.
Yeah, but if you're going to say

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you're investigating something as a murder,
common sense would tell you we need to

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hang on to this because this case
is a murder investigation, not a suicide

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or an accident. Why keep it
open all these years? Well, you'd

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be surprised how uncommon common senses these
days, not with just law enforcement,

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but just people in general. You
ain't never lied? And where are your

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mom's remains today? You said she's
buried. Do you live near the area

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where she was buried? So the
state paid for her burial. She is

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buried in town. I have not
been to her grave. It has a

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marker on it, it doesn't have
a headstone or anything. I wouldn't see

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the point. If those things were
with her, I would seriously look into

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getting her body zoomed and getting that
evidence out of there. But since they

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disposed of it, there's no point. I'm not going to disturb what's left

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of her to try to prove a
point when it's not going to do me

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any good. Now, how did
you find out about the evidence being disposed

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of? Did law enforcement tell you
this or did you learn this from the

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funeral home? The police report that
I read stated that they signed it over

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and then I called McMullin. They
poured her file and it says that they

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disposed of her stuff because it was
considered a biohazard. So to me,

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it really sounds like you're truly stuck
behind the proverbial eight paul in your mother's

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case because you don't have any evidence. You don't have anything, so you

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really don't have a good starting place
to find out what happened to your mother.

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But I would suggest that even though
you don't have that much to go

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on, that you still keep up
with the police and see which you can

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find out on your own. I
can tell you one of the very first

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interviews that I ever did when I
first started this podcast several years ago,

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the young lady I interviewed was trying
to get justice for her brother because her

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brother's death was ruled an accident,
if I recall, and she told me

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several years ago, I'm not gonna
let this go until I find out what

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happened to my brother and his killer
goes to prison. While low and behold,

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she just put up a recent post
that the person who shot her brother

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to death has been arrested and charged
with the murder of her brother. So

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she's never let go, and she
told me several years ago she's going to

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keep going till she gets justice.
So it's taken her while to have this

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success because it's taken her years because
her brother's been deceased for a while.

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So if you're really determined to find
out what happened to your mother, then

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I think it's just something that you're
gonna have to stick it out no matter

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how long it takes, because it
could be a very lengthy process for you

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to ever find out what truly happened
to her. But she was your mother,

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and I'm sure to you it's worth
it to wait. Whatever time you

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spend and trying to find out what
happened to her, it will all come

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down to being worth it if you're
able to get the truth. That's been

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me for the past three weeks.
I had an appointment with the sheriff over

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in Merstll County, which is in
Alabama, where her death happened, and

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I sat down with the guy from
the DA's office and I was explaining to

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them my questions, my concerned dates
that didn't match up. So there's one

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piece of evidence left somewhere unless it's
been crushed or disposed of whatever. After

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asking Daneka about a potential suspect being
involved killing her mother, she told me

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that her and her siblings have an
idea that they know who did this.

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However, the police have never officially
named anyone as a suspect, so I

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bleeped out the name for privacy reasons. There's a car out there somewhere that

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was reported that was driving and could
have possibly been involved with her murder.

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And I actually had to get with
my sister to find this car because nothing

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would come back on the VIN number. And my sister actually found the rest

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of the VIN number that the police
couldn't find. And when I went and

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had this meeting with the sheriff and
the guy from adia's office, I said,

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y'all are missing a number on this
then, which is why nothing ever

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came back on it. And I
told him I'm like, there should be

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a four at the end of that, and both of them looked at me,

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like, what are you talking about? I said that vin number that

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y'all are trying to search for the
car of that y'all are trying to find.

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I said, y'all have the wrong
ven number. I said, you'll

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have all of it, but number, which is why it's coming back in

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valid or not registered. And they
wrote down a fall on both of their

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papers. Is something that is that
simple that y'all miss But I'm thirty two

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years old. I don't have any
experience in this. And me and my

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sister put turns you together and found
the last then number on a car that

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y'all should have been searching for thirty
years ago. According to Danica, the

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only possible evidence left behind of her
mother's homicide is a vehicle that she believes

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was used to transport her mother's body
after she was killed. She hasn't had

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any luck with finding the vehicle and
believes that if it can be located,

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it could provide biological evidence leading to
her mother's killer. We will take a

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short break in return with Danica explaining
the significance of locating this missing vehicle.

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So tell me more about this car. What's the significance of it. So

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it's a card that owned when my
mom went missing and when she was found

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dead, he was driving this car. It is believed to be the car

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that she was transported in when she
was killed. The way that she was

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wrapped in the blanket, it had
a hole in it, and it was

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a twin size blanket, and this
blanket had a hole in it, and

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part of the blanket was pulled through
that hole. Like it was used to

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fot her in from one location to
another. It wasn't like she was wrapped

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in it and somebody just dumped her. This was like used as a support

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thing to tote her body. And
they believed the Dodge Daytona was used to

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transport her body from wherever she was
killed to wherever she was dumped. And

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law enforcement has been looking for the
car supposedly supposedly yes, until I gave

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him the last number on the VN. So I don't know where the car

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is now. It's not registered,
but I don't know if it's been crushed

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or if at the junkyard or whatever. But that would be our last piece

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because you can clean a car and
you can get the blood stain out,

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but you'll never get rid of the
traces of blood. Well, and this

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was nineteen ninety four, so if
the body was transported in this car,

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then I'm sure the person who was
doing it wasn't really thinking about cleaning the

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car. I mean, I'm sure
the person was thinking about cleaning it,

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but knowing that there's DNA, people
try to be a lot more careful about

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not leaving trace evidence behind. Yes. Well, if I'm not mistaken,

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cars from the eighties and nineties had
velvet in a lot of their cars anyways,

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and I'm pretty sure it was like
the burgundy dark red velvet or carpet

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whatever it was, But I'm pretty
sure the color kind of blended with the

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blood. So even if you were
to try to spot clean it or just

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clean it real quick. Yeah,
So in other words, you're not going

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to get all of the blood out
because the blood's actually going to leave a

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stain that you can't remove. Yeah, but that's the last piece of evidence

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that would connect him to the murder, And we don't know where it's at.

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If the sheriff wanted to look,
I'm sure they could locate it,

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but as near the pavilion, we
can't locate it. And I'm guessing that

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if whoever possibly killed your mother and
transported, or if it was done with

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a car, I'm sure that if
this person got rid of the car,

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he probably didn't go too far away
to get rid of it. If he

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didn't sell to someone, he probably
just got rid of it somewhere local,

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a local junkyard or scrapyard, I'm
sure. And then you have to figure

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that there's only so many junkyards out
there. How many are out there,

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Probably not a whole lot, maybe
just a few. Well, I'm not

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mistaken. There's only two in Alabama
and one right within a startain distance for

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me. So back then, I'm
not even sure if all of them are

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open. So if you didn't have
many options back then like you do now,

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right, and well, you know, it's possible that they may keep

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records. Have you contacted your local
junkyards. I have not. That is

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a very good idea. I have
not thought about that. Well, you

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know, it's like these landfills,
these garbage companies that come and pick up

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your trash. Although they pick up
millions of pounds of garbage, they actually

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keep track of where they dumped the
trash from all different houses. I believe

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the landfills are sectored off, so
if law enforcement or anybody else was looking

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for something specific, something say dumped
in a particular dumpster at a certain area,

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so it might be the same thing
with a junkyard. Well, I'll

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be making some calls tomorrow. Well, it certainly doesn't to look I mean,

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based on what you're saying, the
vehicle wasn't sold because there's no records

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of the VN number being anywhere,
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vehicle and hide it somewhere, they
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landfill or junkyard somewhere. But again, it doesn't hurt to check it out.

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I mean, who knows. You
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the junkyard or the local landfill might
know something, or maybe that employee has

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worked there for a long time and
maybe there was something distinctive that they remember

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about someone or that vehicle. But
that's a really good idea. Well,

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so on the report that I got
when we did run the VN number,

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So I wasn't going to pay to
get the history or whatever. But there's

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only one owner reported on that car. But I didn't want to pay the

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twenty dollars to see who the owner
was. Well, it's possible that someone

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up records of this vehicle. We
don't really know. It's been almost thirty

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years, but it's definitely worth checking
into. I know I would look into

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it. I might even look at, say not just the local junkyards or

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scrap yards, maybe say within twenty
or thirty miles of the area where your

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mom's body was found. It's worth
a shot. Now, does this guy

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that your family suspects of killing your
mother, does he have any friends or

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ex girlfriends or family members that are
still alive that you could possibly speak to.

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Maybe this guy said something to a
family member or close friend. And

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a lot of these cases, sometimes
these guys will talk to someone, you

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know, maybe get it off your
chests, or maybe just a brag that

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I don't know. However, something
that it's messed up in ironic is this

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guy married a Teresa and that just
doesn't sit right with me for some reason.

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And I don't know, it could
just be you know, coincidence,

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whatever. But he beat my mom. There is record of that. There's

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a police report there. He went
to jail for beating my mom and broke

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bones in her face. And the
last words to her was I'll get you,

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bitch, And then when you get
out of jail, she's gone.

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Well, and here's something else.
You know, sometimes when these guys commit

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a crime, they may not even
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they're incarcerated, so and if they've
been incarcerated for a while, I

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guess they developed friendships with other inmates. And some of these criminals have been

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known to tell or confide in other
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And I know this does happen often
because there's many cases that have been

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sold because of this. But the
bottom line is, you know, did

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this guy talk to someone? And
in this particular case, based on what

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you've told me about this guy,
it really wouldn't surprise me if I learned

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that he had confided in someone about
what he had done to your mother.

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Okay, so about that. Apparently
while he was in jail, he admitted

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to two different people he killed her, and one of those people wrote a

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letter to somebody on the outside dating
This guy told me he took care of

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a female in Phoenix City, dumped
no body behind a pigligally like all the

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details of it, and a letter
to I guess a family or friend or

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whatever. But the police have a
copy of that letter that this guy wrote

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to somebody outside of jail, but
they won't let me see it. Well,

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that would be considered hearsay, but
still you would think that law enforcement

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would be able to do something with
that. Exactly, you have two different

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people that he admitted to while he
was in jail that he killed her and

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dispose of the He took care of
it as he fed, and he's living

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his best life and never had to
deal with the consequences of his actions,

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or didn't really serve any consequences for
the beating. He gave her nothing.

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The battery case is still open against
my mom, and I went up there

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to the spirit for it and I
said, why she's dead. I need

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to get a copy of what happened, you know, the day that the

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report was made. I need to
see the officer notes, all this stuff.

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But I can't see it if it's
still open. It's been almost thirty

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years. Why is this case still
open. If she's dead, you can't

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prove nothing. You can't charge him
with anything because she is no longer here.

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Well, most likely if he's going
to discuss his crime with a couple

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of fellow inmates. It's highly probable
that he may have said something to an

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ex girl friend or possibly a friend
or a relative. It sounds like this

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guy probably is one of those men
that people to know what he did.

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I mean, you do have the
guys that commit crimes and they do tell

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people, because otherwise, what's the
point of being able to get away with

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a crime if you can't tell someone
about it. It's an ego trip and

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we all know that a lot of
these guys have one Ted Bundy, for

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example, who had a bigger ego
than that guy. What's hether thing is

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is my uncle refuses to talk to
me about my mom and Kenneth will super

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good friends when my mom was missing. That's how my mom met was through

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Kenneth. And I think Kenneth knows
about it, and that's why he doesn't

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want to talk to me about it. So you're saying that your uncle,

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who's your mom's brother, refuses to
discuss your mom's homicide. It's kind of

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strange that he refuses to talk about
it. I mean, especially if he

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won't discuss it with his own family
and he refuses, he will not.

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I have never talked to him,
taught to him on Facebook messenger, but

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I've never had a compatient in person
with him ever, never met him.

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Nothing he refuses to talk to me. Is there anyone else in your family

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that he might talk to? Nope. And I'm sure there's a reason behind

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this, yep. And you said
that he was friends with this guy who

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you all suspect of harming your mother. He have a quite extensive criminal history.

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He was born in seventy and his
criminal history started in nineteen eighty nine

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when he wrought the church, and
he's been in and out of jail his

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whole life. So he was always
mixed up with the wrong people. And

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the people that my mama was introduced
to you were the wrong people. And

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that's all she really knew was people
that was introduced to her, except for

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my dad. At this point,
I was curious as to why Danika head

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weighted nearly thirty years to try to
find out what had happened to her mother.

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I often get many different answers when
I make this inquiry. People will

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begin searching for answers immediately after a
loved one is killed, while others may

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wait for years we will take a
final break in return with what has motivated

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Dannicus quest for justice? Now,
are there other people in your family that

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are trying to find out what happened
to your mother? Or are you the

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only person that's trying to get answers
right now? It's just me. It's

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not even me and my sister.
It's just me. I'm keeping my sister

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in the loop, but I'm the
only one that doing these meetings, is

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making these phone calls, it's going
these places, that is doing all of

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this, and I'm just relying what
information I get back to them. Okay,

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So then let me ask you this, after thirty years, why not

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just let it rest in peace and
just move on. What is motivating you

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all these years later to try to
find out what exactly happened to your mother?

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Why now? I picked it up
last year, me and my brother.

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Over the past two or three years, I've gotten super close and just

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something I've never been at ease with
just letting it go. My curiosity got

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a little bit higher when my aunt
Melissa passed away, because my outlet wasn't

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here anymore to bounce these questions off
of, because I know she would have

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answered them honestly. But when my
outlet was gone, I felt like I

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had to hyper focus and try to
get some kind of answers for myself because

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all I have her story, She's
not here to defend herself on anything story.

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So I felt like I needed concrete
things to read about her, whether

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they're good or bad. I needed
something for myself. I can't just listen

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to what people have to say because
it's one sided, now, you know.

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I always like to ask people why
they are trying to get answers for

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their loved ones. I mean,
I find it really interesting how people have

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different reactions to this question. Okay, for example, I've reached out for

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all the episodes that I've done.
There's also been a lot of people that

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I have reached out to who have
told me absolutely not, I don't want

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to do a podcast. I don't
want to talk about my deceased loved one.

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And I ask, but can you
tell me why, And they'll tell

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me the person's gone. We just
let that person go. We just leave

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it up to the police. Nobody
in the family wants to get involved.

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And I'm thinking, well, if
you leave it up to the police,

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it'll never get solved. And a
lot of homicide cases, I think that

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many of them don't get solved unless
there's a family member or someone else who

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was close to the victim who really
pushes for it. And I'd like to

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use an example of the person I
spoke to you earlier, Amanda. She

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was one of the first people that
I ever spoke to when I started my

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podcast, and she's an amazing woman
and somebody that I look up to and

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admire. I'll call her a hero
she really is, because her brother was

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killed. Someone shot him to death, and it was a homicide in her

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eyes, but officially it was just
ruled an accident and Tennessee law enforcement never

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wanted to pursue it. This happened
all several years ago, and this young

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lady told me she would never let
this go. She would keep pushing for

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justice. She would contact everybody that
she could contact, and she would do

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everything humanly possible to get the man
who killed her brother locked up in prison

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for killing her brother. And recently
it happened this guy was arrested, and

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I recently saw a Facebook post from
her where she said, finally, after

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all these years, I'm going to
sit in a courtroom and I'm going to

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stare down the man who killed my
brother, and I want him to know

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that I'm the reason why he's going
to go to prison. Those are very

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powerful words, and I admire that
about her, you know, because she

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just never gave up, and she
told me she would never give up,

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and I believed her. And I
just knew that this young woman would find

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out who killed her brother. I
knew it because I had so much faith

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in her. And I'm not knocking
anyone that doesn't pursue anything. I mean,

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if you want to just let your
family member rest in peace and not

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get involved and just let it go, I understand if that's what you want

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to do. But I always like
to find out the motivation that makes someone

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want to pursue justice, or even
the motivation behind someone who doesn't. The

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reasoning. It's night and day between
people. You know. People want to

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get answers for different reasons, one
being this was my loved one and I

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love this person and I'll never quit. I'll keep doing it. Or this

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was my friend and we grew up
together and this person meant so much to

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me, this person did this for
me, Or this person helped me when

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I was down and I feel like
I owe them, So that's another reason.

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So everybody has their own reasons,
you know, either way, whether

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you want to do something or not. I don't judge anyone, but I

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just like to know people's thoughts on
why they want to push for justice.

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The thing about doing this is if
somebody happened to follow you, or has

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someone happened to listen to your stuff
that would know something and didn't know who

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to contact or you know who to
reach out to, it could spark that

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one person. What's interesting about podcasts
is that a lot of people listen to

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them. You really only need one
person with a solid lead, something that

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law enforcement can act upon, and
you just never know where that one person

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is. You just have to find
that person, like like damn, I

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know about that right, and you
only need that one person because again,

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a lot of people like to listen
to podcasts, and there's people that watch

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true crime shows and a lot of
them have actually been solved by people who

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have either listened to a podcast or
watched something about a criminal on a true

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crime program. I'll give you a
good example. I'm a big fan of

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John Walsh, and for many years
he's been profiling criminals that are on the

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run. And I think about all
the people that he's captured with his program.

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I believe he's probably helped capture over
one hundred different people. And if

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you think about it, if not
for America's Most Wanted, I'm sure a

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lot of the guys that he profiled
would still be running the streets. I

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can remember the first time I ever
saw the show was back in nineteen eighty

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eight or nineteen eighty nine, where
John Walsh profiled John List, and I've

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never forgotten that story. Are you
familiar with John List? I'm not.

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Well. John List was this psychopath
who killed this entire family. He killed

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his mother, his wife, and
his children. He shotted him to death,

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and then he lined their bodies up
side by side by side, and

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then he split and no one ever
saw him again. John Walsh did the

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story about John List, and then
they had someone do a bust of him

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of what he would look like based
on age progression technologology, and they showed

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this and I'm going to say that
within months of that episode airing, someone

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recognized List a neighbor, I believe. And the thing was, although he

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had left and been gone for all
these years, his habits were still the

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same. He was an accountant when
they found him, he was doing accounting

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work, which he had always done. He was a Lutheran, so he

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continued the same faith as a Lutheran. Even though he was gone for so

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many years, he still maintained the
same type of life. And he did

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this throughout the time that he was
on the run. So eventually someone called

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in who recognized him, and sure
enough was John List, and he was

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living under an alias. He was
captured and sent to prison, and he

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eventually died in prison. But he
did get away with killing his family for

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many years. Wow. So had
it not been for John Walsh profiling lists

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on America's most wanted lists, probably
would have gotten away with killing his family.

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I doubt if he would have ever
got captured because no one knew about

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John List or the story. I've
never heard of it, and neither had

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anyone else in America, not really, except for probably the law enforcement department

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that originally handled the case. But
he had been gone for so many years

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that I'm sure that law enforcement probably
assumed that he was dead. But this

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episode was profiled about him, and
the public got to see who this guy

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was in this case. It only
took a few people who recognized him which

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led to him being captured. Like
you said, podcasts are, they're starting

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to be really, really popular and
a lot of people like the true crime,

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the homicide and the mystery behind it. So if this conversation right here,

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this podcast is to reach one,
just one person that it could possibly

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know something, then you've done more
than you could ever probably do for me.

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Yes, And it's just a matter
of getting your mother's story out there.

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All you need is the right person
to hear it. But what I

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find sad about your mother's case is
that there is nothing about it. There

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was just that one little tiny article
of your mother's homicide and it was probably

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what three paragraphs long, and that's
it. If that's all you have,

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you're not going to find very many
people that know anything. So now tell

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me, if anyone has any information
about your mom's case and they're listening to

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this, who do they need to
call if they know anything? What police

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apartment is handling your mother's case.
It would be Russell County Sheriff's office.

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And that's an Alabama correct, Yes, it's an Alabama. And are you

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using any type of social media to
help people learn about your mother's case.

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No, no, no, how
no, I have not used social media

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platform yet. When I went and
met with the sheriff every Musta County,

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he said to hold off posting through
the Project Cold Case. He said to

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hold off for them posting on Facebook
and on that because we might spook somebody,

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which doesn't make any sense to me. Well, I will definitely have

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to respectfully disagree with the sheriff's department
there. I mean, they've had this

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case for thirty years. What do
you mean they're going to spook someone?

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Who are you going to spook after
thirty years? At this point doesn't really

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matter. And one of the things
that I always tell people that I talked

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to is that social media it's just
another tool. And I find it interesting

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that there are law enforcement departments that
don't use it, and there are also

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some that do use it. But
why wouldn't you use it? Why not

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put something out about a case on
your Facebook page? You just never know

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who's going to see it. And
that's why I always recommend that, if

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nothing else, just put up a
Facebook page about your loved one. You

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can also request tips through your page
and then people will tell me, well,

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yeah, but I don't really have
a lot of information, or what

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if I don't have enough to put
on my page. Well, the solution

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is fairly simple. You don't have
to just put your family members information on

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there. I'm sure there's plenty of
other cases in your local area, in

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the same area where your mother was
killed, other unsolved cases. You can

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share those stories. You can share
stories from different areas of the country.

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You can help bringing attention to other
people's cases other than your mom's. And

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you just put out fresh content as
the bottom line and invite people to participate,

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look at pictures, and like I
said, the more people who visit

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your page and return, the better
the chances are that you'll find the right

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person that knows something. Because another
thing that's good about social media is people

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like to share. So someone sees
something about your mom and they know nothing

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about it, they may feel free
to share it on their Facebook page and

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ask people on their page to share
it. So it's not unusual for a

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story to go viral. And then
you also have producers and other podcasters that

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come across these stories and they may
reach out to you to put the episode

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on say I D Discovery or maybe
another podcaster will want to do an episode

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about your mother. But unfortunately,
right now, it's a typical podcaster can't

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do anything about your mother's case because
there's nothing about it. There's no information

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about her case. So the only
way that they could get any information would

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be to speak to you. So
if they wanted to speak to you,

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they could go through your page and
contact you. So, you know,

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social media could really help your mom's
case and push it forward, and I

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always suggest people do it. There's
no reason not to do it. It's

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free. You can put it on
Twitter, you can put it on TikTok.

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These platforms are all free, so
there's no reason not to use social

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media. Yeah, that's definitely a
good idea. So it would probably be

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a good idea for you sometime down
the road to just go ahead and put

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together a basic Facebook page and just
invite people to learn about your mother's story.

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I think that was a scare tactic. Well. I've spoken to many

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other people who have told me that
law enforcement has encouraged them not to put

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the story on social media or not
to ask the public for help. I

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really don't understand why any law enforcement
agency would do that. I mean maybe

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if it's the first couple of weeks
or first couple of months of something happening.

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But in your mother's case, we're
talking about it happened thirty years ago.

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They've had plenty of time to catch
this guy and they haven't. So

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it's not like anything you do is
going to hinder any type of investigation.

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After thirty years, What are you
going to hinder? Who are you going

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to spook? Maybe you'll get someone
talking and someone will say something stupid thirty

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years later, and that would be
good. You don't know who's going to

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listen. You don't know who's going
to react. There's no reason for you

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not to ask the public to help
you out if they know anything. Okay,

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And with that being said, my
final question for you would be for

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anyone out there that's listening to this
podcast, if they happen to know anything

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about what happened to your mother,
what would you say to that person or

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persons if they knew about it.
I wish they would have came forward,

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regardless of what they were scared of, because they could have put a very

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dangerous man behind bars. But saying
that, I do understand being scared because

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I've been in that situation. However, I just hate that her four kids

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never got answers, They never had
a piece of mind, they never had

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closure, nothing. We've been handed
an empty box and I'm trying to fill

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it with as much as i can
while I can. But if anybody did

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know anything, or does know anything, it's not too late. And this

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concludes the story of Teresa Alone Morris, who was killed nearly thirty years ago.

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She never had a chance to truly
be a mother or create any memories

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with her children. She had the
first of her four children at fifteen.

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She would eventually be found dead behind
a Piggy Wiggly store in Ladonia, Alabama,

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on April twenty eighth, nineteen ninety
four. Unfortunately, her four children

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have no memories of their mother.
Teresa's daughter, Dannika Hovey, has stepped

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up and decided that she wants to
find out who killed her mother and why.

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There was biological evidence left behind at
one time, most likely, but

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it wasn't maintained and eventually discarded.
Dannika faces an uphill battle in her quest.

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There is no evidence, as she
has said that law enforcement won't provide

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her with any useful information. Do
you know who killed this young mother of

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four back in nineteen ninety four.
If you have any information about this unsolved

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thomicide, please contact the Russell County
Sheriff's Apartment in Phoenix City, Alabama at

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three three four two eight six five
three five. I will also be sure

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to provide this information in the case
story notes. And if you are a

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parent, law enforcement official, friend, or relative seeking justice for an unsolved

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thomicide case, please visit my website
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