Episode 180: Theresa Lynn Morris (Part 1 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. For nearly
eight years, I've written a weekly

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newspaper column about true crimes and missing
people for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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With the column and podcast, my
objective has always been to try to

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bring attention to the cases that haven't
received much media attention, if any.

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This week's story involves a twenty one
year old Alabama woman named Teresa Lynn Miller,

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who was found dead and wrapped up
in a blanket behind the Piggly Wiggly

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store in Ladonia, Alabama, on
April twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four.

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The young mother of four had vanished
on April second, nineteen four. Her

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homicide has remained unsolved for nearly thirty
years. This is the first part of

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a two part story. Be sure
to listen to the conclusion next week.

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Teresa Lynn Miller was a Phoenix City, Alabama mother of four who was found

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deceased behind a Piggy Wiggly and Ladonia, Alabama, on April twenty eighth,

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nineteen ninety four. There wasn't much
left of her once she was found,

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and what did remain of her was
likely scattered by animals. She had been

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missing since April second before she was
found deceased. Teresa Lynn Miller was only

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twenty one years old when she died, but her entire life had been troubled.

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According to her daughter Danica, she
had her first child at fifteen and

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was also sexually abused as a child. Teresa was born in California on October

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eighteenth, nineteen seventy two. Her
parents were Diane Pulaski and William Morris.

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According to her daughter Danica, it
was unknown whether or not William Morris was

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actually her biological father. Teresa was
the middle child of three. She has

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an older brother named Kenneth and a
younger sister named Melissa, who recently passed

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away. Unfortunately, other than a
tiny newspaper article in an Alabama newspaper,

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there is no information about Teresa's death, and that is a major issue with

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telling her story and many of the
stories that I share. There are videos,

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news coverage, and other information that
I can share about the victim's story,

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and for stories like Teresa's, these
are the reasons why do this podcast.

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Teresa's story deserves to receive as much
media coverage as anyone else's, and

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since her case has been mostly forgotten, it reduces the chances that her killer

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will ever be arrested. Teresa was
the mother of four children who lost her

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mother when they were young, so
none of them have any warm memories of

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spending Mother's Day with her, or
even celebrating birthdays, holidays, or even

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just sitting around the family dinner table
having a nice dinner. Unfortunately, someone

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took her life and has denied her
children of creating any memories with their mother.

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Teresa's daughter, Danica his contacted law
enforcement and tried to find out what

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happened to her mother nearly thirty years
ago. Over time, biological evidence was

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discarded and she doesn't have many people
who can speak to her about her mother's

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final moments alive, she was able
to connect with the man who found her

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mother's body. Unfortunately, he wasn't
able to provide any useful information for Teresa's

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story. I spoke to her daughter, Danneka Hovey. This is the first

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half of a two part story.
Please be sure to listen to the conclusion

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next week and now on with Teresa's
story is told by her daughter, Dannika

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Hovey. My mom was born in
California October eighteenth, nineteen seventy two.

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Her mother is Diane Pulaski and her
dad is William Morris, although that'slictit on

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her birth certificate. Paternity was never
established, so one hundred percent we don't

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know if William Marph is her father. She is the middle child gather little

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sister my aunt Melissa Melissa Culster,
that passed away a few years ago,

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and she has an older brother,
Kenneth Coulster. I was three year old

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when she died. I do not
remember anything about her. My older sister

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was four, and then my younger
sister is eleven months younger than me,

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so we were real little when she
died. So including you, your mother

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had four children, is that correct? Yeah? And my little brother with

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three month old when she died.
Her body was found April twenty eight,

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Noney four behind the pig Wiggly in
Ladonia. Now I'm familiar with what a

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pigley wiggly is because I've spent time
down in the southern areas of the country.

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So for people who live up north
who don't know what a piggly wiggly

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is, can you please explain to
them. What exactly a piggly wiggly is?

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A pig wiggly is a grocery store
by Lewis Jones or a Walmart shopping

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that that are just for groceries.
They're more Southern than they are northern.

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But they're starting to close down as
the years go by. There used to

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be a lot of them, but
now there's not so many of them.

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Now. What used to be the
pig wiggly if now a key bone they

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call, so it is no longer
a piggwiggly anymore. I have been in

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touch with the gentleman that found her
body. I'm going to respect his private

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it not his name. He worked
at Asilegally at the time. He was

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the one that felled the foul odor
and went back there and found her in

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the wooded area, wrapped in a
blanket. I just got in contact with

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them a few weeks ago after a
year of thirsting for trying to contact people,

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and by the grace of God,
I got another incident report printed and

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his number had updated on the incident
report and I was able to contact him.

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And he cried his eyes out when
I went out at of them,

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because I looked just like my mom. So your mom was killed, or

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at least her body was found in
Phoenix City, Alabama. Is that correct?

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Yeah? So where her body was
found, and is that where you

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and your siblings all lived at the
time, you all lived in Phoenix City.

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Yeah, So the address that him
the death certificate and the address that

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found all the paperwork, court documents
that I found. She lived around twentieth

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three, which I know Europe in
on high and I'm in Georgia, but

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it walking distant from the Pigligly,
It's not too far, so we're talking

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like three or fourth street between her
how or where she was staying and then

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where her body was found. Now, at the time of your mother's death,

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where was she living? Was she
staying with your dad, a boyfriend,

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another relative? Can you tell me
about that? So my older sister,

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Patricia has a different dad. So
Patricia's dad is Tommy. Me and

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my sister Brandy have the same dad, Walter, and then my little brother,

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his dad is Robert. At the
time, my mom was involved with

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Robert. So on the day that
she disappeared, did she have plans to

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go to the Piggly Wiggly. Is
that what happened? She had either gone

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there to shop or was it more
like someone chilled her and then just dumped

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her body back there. She was
kicked out of my aunt how on April

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second, after she was staying with
and she was last in April second,

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and then she was reported missing on
April twentieth. Well, the missing persons

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report was filed on the twentieth.
They never stated if it was before that

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or not, but the missing person's
report was closed and never followed up on.

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But on April twenty eighth when they
found her body. So d fact

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actually hacked custody of me and my
sister. She had lost custody of my

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older sister and she had lost custody
of my younger brother d fact, because

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my dad was in and out.
My mom really didn't want my dad any

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of the dads involved, so my
dad didn't know that his kids were in

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the system. So when my dad
found that out on March tenth, he

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went down and filed the cool custody. On March seventeenth, they had a

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court date set up for April six
and she never showed. She was in

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court on March twenty third for the
custody hearing from my little brother and was

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supposed to go back April eighteenth to
get custody back. Of course she didn't

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show so there was an eyewitness which
I believe he had passed away the thing

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with Abrat Miller, that had seen
her on April four at the Zippy Mark

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by my aunt's house where she was
kicked out. So between April four and

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April foot when she didn't show up
for court, something happened to her.

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We don't know if she was parting, We don't know if she had friends.

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The thing is she only got to
a gray education. She was effectually

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abused. Ifunt tell she the thirteenth, she had been in trouble. I

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found out that there's a child cruelty
case. She beat my older sister because

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my sister trying to push me off
the bed. She went to jail for

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it. They put her on probation, but then she got in trouble a

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year and a half later for shot
with him from Kmart and she was supposed

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to serve time in jail, but
never did. So my mom was in

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a little bit of trouble. She
didn't live a perfect life. She was

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epileptic, she was on two different
feasire medicine. She was very troubled mental

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illness. It runs real deep on
my mom out of the family every generation.

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The aid thought. She did attempt
through if out A few times.

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She was in a treatment finner a
few times in a few different places.

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I know Fort Payne, Alabama with
one play. The Bradley Finner was another.

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She went to the medical thinner.
So she did have suicidal tendency.

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And I don't know if she was
ever medicated for any of that. I

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don't know if she ever got the
proper help. I don't know if she

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ever got the proper help for the
sexual assault. So all of this at

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a young age developed into problems when
you're an adult. So her kids ended

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up suffering. Not only did we
have different dads, but our dads weren't

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allowed to be involved in our lives
because I'm pretty sure she was scared of

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men per se. Didn't stop her
from being curious and reproducing with people.

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But she was nineteen when she had
her fourth kid. Mind you, there

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is an extra kid. I have
a sister that passed away when she was

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born. She was full term,
and this was between Brandy and Stephen,

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so there was to be a fifth
kid, but she died. We don't

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know the cause, but I have
done that what kind of set off the

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downward spiral. I lost the kid
when I was sixth month fragmant, and

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that's a pain that it's very hard
to live with. So along with the

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mental health not being taken care of, all the abuse, losing a kid,

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getting in trouble for child cruelty.
She went to jail for shoplifting.

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She was leading this life and in
trouble, and a lot of it fell

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back to Robert Bush. He is
Stephen's father from the story I've been told,

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he actually went to jail for beating
her. Their eyewitnesses to the result

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of the beating broke bones in her
faith. He was charged with that and

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his last word to my mom before
he went to jail back to jail was

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I will get you be at h
That was his last words to her.

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He was in jail from February twenty
fifth until April four. She was last

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seeing April four. According to Danica, one of Teresa's exes threatened to harm

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her before he was incarcerated. Their
relationship involved domestic violence. We will take

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a brief break in return with Dannika's
thoughts on what happened to her mother after

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she disappeared on April fourth, nineteen
ninety four. And what can you tell

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me about Robert, her ex,
the one she was involved with the domestic

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abuse relationship? Is he still alive
today? He is, and he lived

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close to me. Have you ever
contacted him or does your brother keep in

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touch with his dad? I had
never nobody has ever had any contact with

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him after my mom went missing and
then when they found her body. But

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Stephen quote mom that adopted him,
that was who had custody of them at

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a time because she kept custody after
my mama found So Stephen had his set

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of parents. My dad got us, and then my grandmother ended up getting

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my oldest sister, Patricia, and
we kind of lived separately except for me

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and Brandy. We will all live
separately. So we didn't know each other

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until we got older. So I
want to say between thirteen and fifteen,

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Tricia became a part of our life, and then it wasn't until my brother

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was twenty three twenty four when he
became a consistent part of my life.

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So we were all grown or getting
grown before we actually got to know each

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other. Me and Brandy grew up
together, so that was the only sibling

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I ever had grown up. Of
course, my dad had a son with

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another woman. Are you when your
three siblings close today? We are.

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We grew apart. We didn't really
get along so much when we were growing

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up. But that's my sister.
I'll go to bat four any day.

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And now, your mom, she
was threatened before she was found dead,

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isn't that correct? I mean she's
threatened and then she turns up dead shortly

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after. Yeah, so what is
your mother's official cause of death? What

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did the coroner rule? There is
no cause of death. It's listed as

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undetermined circumstances. I read the coroner's
report. She was decapitated. Her head

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was not attached to her body.
She was missing her shoulder on the left

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side down, her whole armor gone. There was thirty two and a half

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pounds of her left when they found
her. That's how long she was out

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there. The corner's report says four
to sixth leaks. She was out in

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the woods and eating upon by animals
and decomposed. And all of this I've

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done read at all. I don't
have a picture of them on painted anymore.

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There's all just facts. So you're
telling me that you don't know if

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her killer actually decapitated her or if
her head was removed because of animal activity.

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I guess you really don't know,
do you, And neither does the

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coroner. Nope. They seem to
think that maybe somebody slid her throat and

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that's where the animals started. They
can't prove that because she was out there

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for so long. But of course
a body out in the wood, especially

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with a changing seasons, it's not
going to take much time at offer.

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Animals to be at tried to smell
whatever it is. So we don't exactly

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know how long she was out there. The corners of for it says four

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to six weeks, but I also
read a little investigator notice it said a

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week. So we're looking at one
week versus four to six. But that's

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a huge gap. Yeah, that
is most certainly a large gap in time,

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and it doesn't make any sense.
And I can never understand how you

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can say one week and then you
say four to six. It has to

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be one or the other. There's
a different, a huge difference in one

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of the other Absolutely at Lee and
who reported her missing, they will not

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give me a copy of the missing
person's report. But if I'm not mistaken,

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my aunt Melissa is the one that
reported her missing. She was supposed

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to come get her stuff because Matt
Missa kicked her out. I don't know

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why she was kicked out, but
she was supposed to come to get from

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her stuff and she never did it, just sat on most of the front

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port. And after a few weeks
went by, is when they knew something

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was wrong. And when she didn't
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when they knew if something was wrong. And your aunt Melissa the one you

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were able to lean on. She's
now deceased. Is that correct? Yeah,

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she passed away a few years ago. Okay, And what kind of

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a relationship did you have with your
aunt Melissa? Sounds like you had a

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great relationship with her too for clothes. As soon as she was able to

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get into my life, I clung
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person. She was the closest thing
I had to my mom. That was

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the closest connection. I'm not close
to my grandmother. I really prefer not

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to call her my grandmother. Her
name is Diane. But my Analyssa was

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a saint. She was just an
upbeat, bright person. And I'm sure

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that you probably had a lot of
questions about your mom. For your aunt,

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Melissa, based on your aunt's thoughts
about your mom, how did she

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describe her mom? Tell me about
that fearless, She loved life, she

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loved her kids. She wasn't the
perfect person. She never painted a picture

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of her mom being perfect. But
she did say that my mom made mistake

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but she did love her kids,
She loved life, she was adventurous,

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she had a big heart. I
mean, just a lot of good things.

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But she did make sure to embed
in my head that she did make

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mistakes. She was human and she
wasn't perfect, and she did learn from

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a lot of her mistakes. You
knowing, It just doesn't only sound like

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your mother really had much of an
opportunity to really live. She was only

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twenty one when she died, correct, I mean twenty one. That's fairly

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young. One twenty one. That
means that her life was essentially over before

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it even began. I wouldn't even
really call it much of a life,

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would you. Nope. You know, here's something that I've learned about life.

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When you're young, you make a
lot of mistakes we all do,

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but fortunately for a lot of us, like me, for example, I

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was able to somehow survive a lot
of stupidity. I did a lot of

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stupid things in my past, and
I look back and sometimes I wonder how

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the hell I'm even alive today.
I mean, I've said that to my

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best friend. He and I used
to do really stupid stuff when we were

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youngsters, and we're both in our
fifties now, and we've both somehow made

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it. I have no idea how
we were able to overcome being such idiots

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back in the day, but we
somehow managed, because I can honestly say

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I've really done some stupid, reckless
things in the past where I could have

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easily gotten killed, but somehow,
by the grace of God, I'm still

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here. Yeah. You know,
it's always been said that to grow old

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and wise, you have to be
young and stupid, and that's true because

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you learn from your mistakes. And
I realize that your mother, she did

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make some mistakes when she was young. But what makes me feel bad about

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her story is that she never got
an opportunity to overcome them. She didn't

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get the opportunity to learn and get
wise from her mistakes and then straighten them

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out, and had she overcome her
issues, that she would have had an

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opportunity to get to know her four
children and get to know her grandchildren.

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But she was denied that chance because
of someone else's selfishness in taking her life.

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I find that truly sad and troubling. Oh yeah, By this time,

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you've heard Dannika discuss the hardships that
her mother experienced during her youth.

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She was sexually abused and gave birth
to her first child at fifteen years old.

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She had also gotten into trouble for
abusing one of her children and for

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shoplifting. We will take a final
break and return with Danica's final thoughts about

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her mother for this episode. So, listening to you describe your mother's story,

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it sounds like she really had a
traumatic life. She was sexually abused,

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she got pregnant at a very early
age. She had her first child

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when she was fifteen, and then
by the time she was twenty one,

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she already had four children. And
that can be really rough on someone.

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I mean, being so young and
having to take her four children. So

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she really had a whole lot of
things going on in her young life,

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and it sounds like she really didn't
get a chance to really get a taste

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of life. No, she had
her first kid fifteen, so she didn't

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even get to go through her teenage
years. Really, I mean, she

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didn't get a chance to grow up. She was forced because of the fixture

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abuse up until the ague was thirteen
and she started acting out. She dropped

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by to school in eighth grade.
She had her first kid fifteen, so

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that's the beginning of her life right
now. Wait a minute, I just

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thought of something. You said that
she had her first child when she was

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fifteen. That means she was pregnant
most likely when she was fourteen. Is

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that right? Yes, she had
turned fifteen dot October and my sister was

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born in December. Okay, So
howell was the dad? Was this consensual?

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Was he also a teenager? Was
this statutory rape or what was the

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situation at the time. I am
not one hundred percent sure how old he

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is, but I know it was
consensual. I know they were actually a

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couple like together, and he did
she did love Tricia's dad. Still,

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even if it's consensual, a child
can't give consent. Oh I know,

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Yeah, I live in Ohio,
where the consensual age is sixteen, and

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I imagine that's probably what it is
in a lot of other states. Same

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here. Well, my mom was
sixteen when my dad was with her,

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so I mean that me and my
sister, she was over fifteen whenever she

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had me and my sister. But
at getting pregnant at fourteen and having a

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kid at fifteen, like, it
makes you wonder, It really does,

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but that's the life that she was
used to. Well, yeah, and

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I can remember growing up back in
the day when I was pretty young at

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the time, I had a couple
of friends that were I believe we're probably

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both about fifteen, and I think
she got pregnant around that time and may

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have had her first child when she
was fifteen or sixteen, but they were

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both under age. They were both
teenagers, so there was never any issue

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with that, and they got married. It just got me thinking when you

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told me that your mom had her
first baby at fifteen, and that tells

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me that she was probably pregnant at
fourteen, So I was wondering if this

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was something that would have been legally
considered statutory rape. But then I don't

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know how old the father was.
But you said, it was something that

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she was used to, and if
she was being sexually abused at an early

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age, maybe this was something that
she had accepted as a fact of life

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or a fact of her life.
But it was just something that I was

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just really curious about. It was
never reported as inappropriate or rape or anything

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like that. What I'm hearing or
what I've heard, it was her doing.

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You know, all the relationships were
through her brother except for my dad.

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She met every man that she had
been with through my uncle, which

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has messed up. All these men
were older than her. She was born

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in seventy two, my dad was
born in sixty nine, so they're not

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too far apart in age. But
the only person that my mom didn't meet

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through her brother was my dad.
My dad was the only outside person and

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didn't associate with anybody, didn't associate
with Kenneth or Robert, nobody, So

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it was kind of weird. So
tell me about I know your brother and

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your sisters probably have conversations about your
mom, and I would guess that you

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all probably have a general idea of
who may have killed her. Have you

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all come to a consensus on this? Is there somebody that you all think

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may have harmed your mother. After
asking Danica about a potential suspect being involved

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and killing her mother, she told
me that her and her siblings have an

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idea that they know who did this. However, the police have never officially

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named anyone as a suspect, so
I have bleeped out the name for privacy

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reasons. Yes, the people that
I talked to, close family, people

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that knew her, every single person
believed it was that killed her end up

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her body. She was killed at
a residence and her body was dumbed.

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And at this point, I don't
care who hears this. Well, it's

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a known fact that whenever someone gets
murdered, most of the time it's not

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by a stranger. It's often a
boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, or some

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type of significant other that committed the
crime. I mean that during investigation,

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I know that law enforcement usually starts
with the family and then works its way

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outward. What I find interesting is
that I have spoken to so many different

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people. I mean easily over a
hundred people that I've interviewed, and a

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lot of times when I talk to
them after I'm done with the recording.

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I'll talk to people after we're done
recording because I don't want to put those

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private thoughts on the podcast. Those
are just something that I share with that

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individual. And one of the questions
that I'll ask is does the family have

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an idea of who committed this crime? In a lot of times, the

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family will most of the time,
you know, unless it's a hit and

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run or something along those lines,
the family will basically just say, yeah,

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we know who did it, and
the cops know who did it.

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The only problem is we can't prove
it. Otherwise that person would be in

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prison right now. So I find
it more surprising when a family tells me

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that they don't know who did it
than when they tell me they do know

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who did it. Oh really.
The messed up part is so she was

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found and closed. She didn't have
any hand towear on. She had a

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braw a T shirt and panton.
She was wrapped in a blanket and that

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with a jacket that was located near
her but wasn't like on her person.

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Before the full Corners report came back, before the toxological report came back,

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before that even came back, they
had sent all the evidence with her body

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to the funeral home, and the
n't home disposed of it because it was

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biohazard. So they don't even have
any evidence to test for DNA anymore because

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they got rid of it before the
case was even closed. Well now it's

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pending. They can't give me a
straight answer if it's open, closed or

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pending. I've gotten three different answers
from three different people. That must have

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been a major blow to the case. And there's a high probability that there

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was DNA or fingerprints or some type
of genetic evidence on your mom's body or

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the clothing. And without those pieces
of evidence, then it definitely would have

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hindered the police's investigation. And had
they stored it properly and kept it,

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they could have tested that. With
the way technology have come now, they

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could have taken that out of evidence
and test it to see if there was

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DNA on it. But now they
can't. And I didn't know that.

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I just found that out. I
thought they had this evidence walked away somewhere

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and we could pull it out and
I know it might take some time,

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but get them to retest it.
And then I find out. I read

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the report and everything was signed over
to the funeral home. So I called

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McMullan, which is a local funeral
home here. I called them to see

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if they could pull the report because
it said that if the clothes were sent

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with her in the body bag,
that it would have been buried with her.

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I was going to pay to get
her body exumed, to get that

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stuff out of there and to get
it tested. Yeah, I was going

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to ask you about getting her exumed. So maybe there is some type of

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evidence that remained behind, or do
you think there's a chance that there's anything

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that could be useful. It wouldn't
help her. There wasn't enough of her

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left to get a rape kid or
I mean, there wasn't enough of her,

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And that's the messed up part.
I think that's really a shame.

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But I think back in ninety four
that DNA was still in the stages of

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early development, So I'm not thinking
that a lot of police departments were thinking

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about storing things and instead they just
found it easier to just dispose of evidence.

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I don't really know how it works
out with different police departments, but

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I've heard stories that some kept items
even back from the eighties because they figured

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there might be some type of advances
and technology, while others just went ahead

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disposed of the items. I don't
think there was a set standard among every

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police department in the country, as
you know. I don't think there ever

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has been. I think they just
all do whatever it is they do.

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Yeah, but if you're going to
say you're investigating something of a murder,

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common sense would tell you we need
to hang on to this because this case

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is a murder investigation, not a
suicide or an accident. Why keep it

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open all these years? Well,
you'd be surprised how uncommon common senses these

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days, not with just law enforcement, but just people in general. You

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ain't never lied. And where are
your mom's remains today? You said she's

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buried. Do you live near the
area where she was buried? So the

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state paid for her burial. She
is buried in town. I have not

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been to her grave have a marker
on it. It doesn't have a headstone

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or anything. I wouldn't see the
point if those things were buried with her,

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I would seriously look into getting her
body boomed and getting that evident out

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of there. But since they disposed
of it, there's no point. I'm

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not going to disturb what left of
her to try to prove a point when

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it's not going to do many good. Now, how did you find out

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about the evidence being disposed of?
Did law enforcement tell you this or did

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you learn this from the funeral home? The police report that I read stated

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that they signed it over and then
I called McMullin. They poured her file

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and it says that they disposed of
her stuff because it was considered a biohazard.

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So to me, it really sounds
like you're truly stuck behind the proverbial

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eight paul in your mother's case because
you don't have any evidence. You don't

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have anything, so you really don't
have a good starting place to find out

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what happened to your mother. But
I would suggest that even though you don't

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have that much to go on,
that you still keep up with the police

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and see which you can find out
on your own. I can tell you

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one of the very first interviews that
I ever did when I first started this

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podcast several years ago, the young
lady I interviewed was trying to get justice

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for her brother because her brother's death
was ruled an accident, if I recall,

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and she told me several years ago, I'm not gonna let this go

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until I find out what happened to
my brother and his killer goes to prison

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while low and behold. She just
put up a recent post that the person

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who shot her brother to death has
been arrested and charged with the murder of

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her brother. So she's never let
go, and she told me several years

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ago she's going to keep going till
she gets justice. So it's taken her

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while to have this success because it's
taken her years because her brother's been de

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ceased for a while. So if
you're really determined to find out what happened

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to your mother, then I think
it's just something that you're gonna have to

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stick it out no matter how long
it takes, because it could be a

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very lengthy process for you to ever
find out what truly happened to her.

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But she was your mother, and
I'm sure to you it's worth it to

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wait. Whatever time you spend and
trying to find out what happened to her,

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it will all come down to being
worth it if you're able to get

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the truth. That's them me.
For the past three weeks, I had

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an appointment with the sheriff over Murphall
County, which is in Alabama where her

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death happened, and I sat down
with the guy from the DA's office,

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and I was explaining to them my
questions, my concerned dates that didn't match

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up. So there's one piece of
evidence less somewhere unless it's been crushed or

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disposed of whatever. But there's a
car out there somewhere that was reported that

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was driving and could have possibly been
involved with her murder. And I actually

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had to get with my sister to
find this car because nothing would come back

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on the VEN number. And my
sister actually found the rest of the VIN

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number that the police couldn't find.
And when I went and had this meeting

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with the sheriff and the guy from
the d office, I said, y'all

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are missing a number on this then, which is why nothing ever came back

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on it. And I told him
I was black. There should be a

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four at the end of that.
And both of them looked at me,

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like, what are you talking about. I said that then number that y'all

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are trying to search for the car
that y'all are trying to find. I

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said, y'all have the wrong VEN
number. I said, you'll have all

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of it but one number, which
is why it's coming back invalid or not

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registered. And they wrote down the
flour on both of their papers, like

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something that is that's simple that y'all
missed. But I'm thirty two years old.

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I don't have any experience in this. And me and my sister put

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turns you together and found the last
VIN number on a car that y'all should

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have been searching for thirty years ago. So tell me more about this car.

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What's the significance of it? So
it's the card that owned when my

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mom went missing, and when she
was found dead, he was driving this

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car. It is believed to be
the card that she was transported in when

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she was killed. The way that
she was wrapped in the blanket, it

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had a hole in it and part
of the it was a twin five blanket,

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and the blanket had a hole in
it, and part of the blanket

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would poured through that hole. Like
it was used to tote her in from

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one location to another. It wasn't
like she was wrapped in it and Toby

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just dumped her. This was like
used as a support thing to tote her

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body. And they believed the Dodge
Daytona was used to transport her body from

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wherever she was killed to wherever she
was dumped and law enforcement has been looking

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for the car supposedly. Supposedly,
yes, until I gaped him the last

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number on the vent. So I
don't know where the car is now.

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It's not registered, but I don't
know if it's been crushed or if at

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the junkyard or whatever. But that
would be our last piece, because you

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can clean a car and you can
get the blood stain out, but she'll

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never get rid of the trace of
the blood. Well, and this one

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nineteen ninety four, So if the
body was transported in this car, then

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I'm sure the person who was doing
it was really thinking about cleaning the car.

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I mean, I'm sure the person
will think about cleaning it, but

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knowing that there's DNA, people try
to be a lot more careful about not

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leaving trace evidence behind. Yeah.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, cars

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from the eighties and nineties had velvet
in a lot of their cars anyways,

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And I'm pretty sure it was like
a burgundy dark red velvet or carpet whatever

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it was. But I'm pretty sure
the color kind of blended with the blood.

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So even if you were to try
to spot clean it or to clean

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it real quick. Yeah, So
in other words, you're not going to

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get all of the blood out because
the blood's actually going to leave a stain

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that you can't remove. Yeah,
but that's the last piece of evidence that

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would connect him to the murder.
And we don't know where it's at.

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I'm at the sheriff wanted to look. I'm sure they could locate it,

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but as near the pavilion, we
can't locate it. And I'm guessing that

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if whoever possibly killed your mother and
transported her, if it was done with

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a car, I'm sure that if
this person got rid of the car,

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he probably didn't go too far away
to get rid of it. If he

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didn't sell to someone, he probably
just got rid of it somewhere local,

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a local junkyard or scrapyard, I'm
sure. And this concludes the first half

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of Teresa's story. Please listen to
the conclusion next week. Who killed Teresa

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Lynn Miller? Nearly thirty years ago, she never had a chance to truly

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be a mother or create any memories
with her children. She had the first

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of her four children at fifteen.
She would eventually be found dead behind a

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Piggy Wiggly store in Ladonia, Alabama, on April twenty eighth, nineteen ninety

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four. Unfortunately, her four children
have no memories of their mother. Teresa's

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daughter, Dannikahove, has stepped up
decided that she wants to find out who

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killed her mother and why. There
was biological evidence left behind at one time

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most likely, but it wasn't maintained
and eventually discarded. Danica faces an uphill

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battle in her quest. There is
no evidence, as she has said that

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law enforcement won't provide her with any
useful information. Do you know who killed

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this young mother of four back in
nineteen ninety four? If you have any

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information about this unsolved thomicide, please
contact the Russell County Sheriff's Apartment in Phoenix

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City, Alabama at three three four
two nine eight six five three five.

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I will also be sure to provide
this information in the case story notes.

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And if you are a parent,
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