Episode 173: Tyler Howell

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. For nearly
eight years, I've written a weekly

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newspaper column about true crimes and missing
people for the CLAREMONTSA newspaper in Ohio.

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With the column and podcast, my
objective has been to bring attention to the

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cases of those who haven't received much
media attention, if any. This week's

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on Saul Thomas side occurred on October
twenty first, twenty eighteen, one of

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twenty one year old Milton, Florida
man named Tyler Howe was abducted and shot

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the death after returning home from a
trip with his cousin to buy cigarettes.

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After he was abducted, his cousin
was held at gunpoint and forced from her

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car. Her car was then stolen. The car that Tyler was forced into

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and his cousin's car were both recovered. Over four years of past and no

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one has been arrested for Tyler's homicide. His family still waits for justice.

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Angie Mandelow had a close relationship with
Tyler Howe, twenty one, who was

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her oldest son. Tyler and his
family lived in Milton, Florida. Tyler

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also had two younger siblings who loved
him and missed him to this day.

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Angie told me that Tyler always wanted
to become a dad because he loved children

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so much. She saddened that he
never got the chance to become a father

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or an uncle. She said that
Tyler was a young man who had maintained

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many of his childhood friendships and he
never got out of his terrible two's.

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She described him as rambunctious and goofy, but she did say he had a

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heart of goal. According to media
reports, Tyler's death unfolded on the evening

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of October twenty first, twenty eighteen. Tyler and his cousin went to a

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local gas station for cigarettes late that
Sunday night. They climbed into his cousin's

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blue Chevy Cruise. After buying cigarettes, Tyler and his cousin returned home from

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the store. On their way back
from the gas station, the cousins were

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followed to Tyler's John Hamm Road residence
by several black males driving in a silver

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Kia Optima. Tyler then exited his
cousin's car and got into the Kia with

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the men. Afterward, one of
the men left the Kia and pointed a

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gun at Tyler's cousin and ordered her
to get out of the car. After

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she left her vehicle, the unknown
man drove away with her car, as

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Zakia also drove off with Tyler still
inside. Moments later, Tyler was shot

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at death and left alongside the road. His family believes that he had fought

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back against his abductors, but the
family isn't sure why Tyler was abducted and

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killed. Since Tyler's homicide, law
enforcement has released photos of at least one

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of the suspects as he stood inside
the gas station. The Kia and the

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blue Chevy Cruise have also both been
recovered. The Kia is owned by a

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man named Kieris Hawkins, who is
currently incarcerated on unrelated charges. The Chevy

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Cruise has since been traced to a
shooting in Pensacola. It would appear that

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Hawkins should be considered a suspect in
Tyler's homicide, but so far no charges

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have been filed against him. Tyler's
family has concerns that Hawkins will be released

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before he can be connected to Tyler's
homicide. Tyler's mother thinks that it's possible

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that her son knew at least one
of the killers. She also thinks it's

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possible that he may have even tried
to sell marijuana to the men, but

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she doesn't know for sure. She
has told me that she hasn't received any

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information from law enforcement about the case. Today. All the family has left

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of Tyler are his memories and a
roadside memorial and his honor. He was

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laid to rest at hit greyh Hammock
Church Cemetery. For this story, I

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spoke to Angie Mantelow, who is
Tyler's mother. She told me the grief

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that she feels is unbearable and the
holidays and birthdays are the worst. I

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had read that Angie visited her son's
grave daily just to speak to him.

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I asked her if that was true. She said it was true, and

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she also drives past the site of
Tyler's homicide often. The Santa Rosa Sheriff's

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Apartment is hopeful that they will be
able to uncover DNA that could lead to

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Tyler's killers. According to law enforcement, they need someone who is willing to

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provide a crucial tip that will lead
to Tyler's killers. Although law enforcement has

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recovered the KIA associated with the crime, and they also have photos of the

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suspects. It's not enough to make
any arrests. And now on with the

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story of Tyler Howe is told by
his mother and v Mandelow. He was

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born in May of nineteen ninety seven. May fifth. He was what you

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call it, I can't even think
of it, the Mexican holiday May fifth?

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Now, what is it called?
Yeah, I know that holiday,

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I just can't recall what it was
called. Wait. He was born in

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Milton, Florida, and at Santa
Rosa Hospital and they told me whenever I

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got to four centimeters that I would
get an epidural or some pain medicine.

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Well, with this kid, I
did not get no pain medicine. He

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come so quick. He went from
three centimeters to ten centimeters and just seconds

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and he come out. And it
was the best thing ever. I don't

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even know how to explain it,
but it was just awesome. He was

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what made me a mom and where
he got a little older. Always said

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that he was going to grow out
of his terrible twos, and he never

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did. He was so rambunctious.
Everybody kept telling me, you need to

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see if he needs ADHD medicine.
Even in school, he was rambunctious.

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He was always the class clown,
always had to make people laugh. Even

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when he got older, he was
the same way. Was Tyler your firstborn?

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Yes, he was my firstborn.
Yes, we ended up moving.

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We were living in Leino, Florida
after I had him, and then I

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got pregnant with my daughter. They're
like a year and seven months apart,

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and he was so happy he was
gonna be a big brother. He loved

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his sister, and even when they
got older, they were inseparable. They

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were like tips in a pod,
but totally different because he was just so

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rambunctious. He was still that way
whenever he was a teenager. He couldn't

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sit still. He loved Pokemon.
He played Pokemon. Me and him used

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to play Pokemon on the little game
boy thing and we were really close.

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And once he got older he was
into Narto. I don't know the anime.

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Yeah, he was all into Narto. He had books every Birthday,

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Christmas, everything, you know.
Every time I got him to him,

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I got him a book of Narto. He had a book. He pretty

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much hung around with his three best
friends that he went to elementary Ellen up

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to high school with He always wanted
to go to Japan because he was so

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into Narto. He wanted to see
what Japan was like, he said.

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Whenever he got out of high school, he wanted to go to Japan.

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Well, Japan is known for putting
out really great animation. Yeah, he

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loved it. He was really into
that. He never graduated. He ended

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up dropping out. He got his
first job whenever he turned seventeen. He

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ended up working at a crane operating
place where his biological father worked there and

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got him a job. And he's
not in the picture set up. Police

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don't add him to any of this. But that was his first job.

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So he was seventeen and found himself
a crane operator job. Why did he

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leave school? He was never really
into school. He ended up going to

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a school they called Raiders, and
he ended up getting out of school.

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I don't know why he dropped out
of school. So school wasn't really his

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thing then, Yeah, what didn't
say when he dropped out of school he

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was going to go get him a
job. Well he did, he got

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him a job, and then after
that job, he ended up working at

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a construction place laying brick. And
then I guess he quit that job and

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then he ended up working with my
dad and his hall. He was a

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painter and he was good at it. He liked it, So then he

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ended up going to work with his
best friend. His brother owned a painting

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business, and that was his last
job before he was taken. So construction

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type work, is that something that
Tyler wanted to do or did it just

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happen to be the type of work
he was able to find. He loved

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it even, Yeah, he loved
it. He liked to be a hie.

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Yeah. He liked to climb.
That was just him. He wanted

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to climb up high. He always
stayed up in trees and go outside looking

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for Raymond. He's up in a
tree. But yeah, he liked to

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stay up high. So it sounding
like he really stayed busy. Yes,

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he is always dizzy. Based on
what I've read, when Tyler was about

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eighteen or nineteen, he got into
drugs. Can you tell me if that's

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true or tell me about the extent
of his drug use. He smoked his

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weed, did not like it.
Every time he'd be out in the yard,

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I'd smell it, and I'm like, you better not be smoking in

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the yard. Yeah, he smoked
his weed, and we did not allow

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it at the house. I didn't
want him doing it, and to begin

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with, because I'm not the type
of person that smoked, and him and

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his cousin, they would always go
off and you could smell it on him.

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You know, he did it.
So he just smoked marijuana. That's

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pretty common with a lot of people. I don't really see a major issue

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with that, right, And I
really don't know if there was any other

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drugs involved. I've never seen him, never heard of it, but I

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know he did smoke weeds, and
he hung around people that smoke weed.

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And that's the only drugs that they're
even talking about was weed. I didn't

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see any mention of anything serious like
heroin or cocaine. So what's that being

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said? I just assumed with his
age, it was probably just weed anyway.

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Yeah, I mean, not the
type of drug activity that's going to

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get him into serious trouble with the
law or anything like that. Yeah,

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exactly. Now, did your son
have any type of legal issues? Well,

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he did. He spent nine months
in jail he was sixteen, I

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believe, and him and some friends
went into an abandoned trailer and he broke

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a window and his blood was in
there, so they found DNA. So

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he ended up spending nine months in
jail. But he was stupid teenagers.

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Sure, we know all about young
people doing stupid things. I mean I

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did it, and you probably did
when you were younger. You know,

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maybe we just didn't get caught,
right. Well, if he did something,

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he was going to get caught.
Yeah, he was something else.

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So what kind of friends did Tyler
hang out with? Can you tell me

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about some of the friendships that he
maintained. The people he hung out was

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his friends that he grew up with. He was always with his friends.

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They all come over the house.
They were a little bitty growing up,

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and he stayed hanging out with them, and he hung out with his cousin.

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And I've never seen anybody that was
bad, Like I didn't want him

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hanging out with, you know,
like thugs. I've never seen. But

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when he gets off with his friends
or he goes parties, I don't know

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who he met. He knew a
lot of people and people that I didn't

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even know he knew. Well,
I can admit as a parent that our

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kids don't always tell us about their
friends or who they hang out with.

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So that's pretty common among people anyway. I didn't always tell my parents who

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I hung out with exactly. You
don't always know who your kids are hanging

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out with. Yeah, well,
they definitely keep some things from their parents.

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That's all kids. Oh yeah,
So when was the last time that

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you spoke to your son? Tell
me about that day. Tell me about

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your last conversation with him, or
which you can remember of it. The

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day that he was taken with October
twenty first, it was on a Sunday

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and I had to go to work
that morning, and we were texting back

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and forth. He was talking about
how he was going to get an apartment

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and he was gonna stay with some
of his friends. Him and his friends

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was gonna get an apartment. Told
me, you know, ask me if

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I knew anybody had an apartment.
And I was like, that'd be good.

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Get out and get you an apartment. You're twenty one. And well,

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that night I got home from work, he easily goes outside and talks

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on his phone, and every phone
he has had it was busted, cracked.

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You couldn't see nothing on it.
You did see a glare. Well,

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he was standing on the porch and
I opened the door and he was

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on his phone and I was like, well, you coming inside. He

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said yeah, Mom. He says
I love you, and I said I

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love each tone and I shut the
door. And that was about ten o'clock

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and that was last time I saw
him. I went to bed because my

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husband in his back was hurting,
and so I was putting a compress on

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his back and I fell asleep,
and the next thing I knew of my

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niece that was with him ran in
the house off and was screaming to somebody

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stoulder car. And that's all I
heard. And I got up. Me

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and my husband got up and we're
like, what what's going on? And

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all we heard was somebody stolder car. Well, I was like, okay,

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who stole your car? Her and
my son went to the store and

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they went to get some cigarettes and
they come back and pulled in the driveway

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and somebody pulled in behind him,
and she said that the guy got out,

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stuck a gun to her, went
to the side of the car,

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stuck a gun to her head and
told her get the fuck out of the

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car and told her to take off
get out. So he took the car

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and my son got out. I
don't know really but the whole story,

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but he got in the car that
was behind her car, and they took

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off down the road and stole her
car. So did the guy who stole

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her car know your son? I
don't know. The only thing I know

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is what my niece told me that
he got out and said he was going

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to sell them some weed. So
he got in the car with them,

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I guess, to sell them the
weed and they took off. So why

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did they steal his cousin's car.
To this day, I don't know.

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I don't know why they stold her
car. But yeah, they took off

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down the road about a moll down
the road from my house. They shot

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and killed him, shot him multiple
times. And the person that lived close

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to where he was shot, they
heard like firecrackers going off and heard people

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yelling and screaming, and I heard
the sound like firecrackers going off. It

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sounds to me like he was put
out of the car and then executed.

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Is that what happened? Yes,
And I did not know this at the

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time. I'm sitting in my house
comforting her because she was pregnant, and

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she says somebody stole her car,
and then finally she says, Tyler's with

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them, and I'm like, excuse
me, Tyler's where? And my heart

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dropped. And my husband and my
brother in law went down the road and

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there was cop and everything down the
road, and they wouldn't let him get

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close. They just said somebody's been
shot. My husband come back to the

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house and said, somebody's been shot. I don't know who it is.

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My heart just dropped and I started
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out too, and I had a
pair of shorts on, those shoes on

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a little tiptop on, and I'm
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like, Mom the car. So
I run back to the house, get

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in the car and go down there. And I just knew. I knew

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it was him. It wouldn't let
me get to him, but I can

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see him onside the road doing cpr
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would stay with her for the rest
of her life. She would learn that

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her firstborn son, Tyler, the
young man she called ram Voches, goofy

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and lovable, was murdered just down
the roof from his home. She never

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imagined a trip to a local gas
station for cigarettes would lead to her son's

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death. We'll take a short break
and return with Angie's comments on Tyler's final

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night alive. So, as a
mother, in your natural instincts, you

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knew that the victim had to have
been your son. I knew it him.

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Yeah, how did you find out
that it was definitely him that was

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shot to death. My husband was
talking to the cops, and the cops

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finally told him who it was.
They identified it was Tyler Lee Howell,

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and I just dropped to the ground
because they wouldn't let me get to him.

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They wouldn't let me get close to
him. But the ambulance they go

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by real so I was like,
well, well, Hofs throw would go

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into and nobody would tell me anything. They weren't taking him to the hospital,

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they were taking him to the morgue. Yeah, they wouldn't tell me

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anything, and my heart just dropped. I dropped to the ground. I

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couldn't move. That was the worst
day in my life. I don't think

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I can imagine a pain worse than
losing a childs I've always thought that has

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to be the worst pain that any
parent could experience. Ever, yeah,

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it is, And I'm assuming there
was an autopsy, and if so,

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what did you learn from it?
He was shot multiple times? Who was

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shot in his chest and upper leg. That's the only thing that I know

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right now. They don't give us
a full autopsy report until they closed case.

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Now, based on how many times
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someone was really angry with your son, and that almost sounds personal. So

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to me, this probably wasn't a
random thing. He probably knew the person

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that shot him, Yeah, exactly. So tell me what was going through

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your mind as you were trying to
figure out what happened to your son.

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I had no clue. I kept
asking everybody who you know who it could

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have been. They even have pictures
of the people, They have video,

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they have pictures, They have the
cars, they have the owner of the

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car. He's in prison on an
unrelated charge. I've been taught to my

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own detective work of how he knew
them, and I can't figure it out.

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Well, perhaps they sold each other
some weed at some time or another

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exactly, but I don't know when, how where he met at with him

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before. Well, that's probably one
of the people that your son probably knew

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but never told you about, right, But you know, they had to

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be introduced somehow. I don't know
how they met. I don't know how

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it got to him meeting that's what
they did. They met at the store,

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or they ran into each other at
the store, I don't know,

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but they followed them back from the
store, That's my thing. I don't

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know from that point, I don't
know the motive. The only thing I

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could think of is he didn't have
the weed on him that he had to

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get it as we didn't allow it, so he had to hide it.

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Based on what I've found in social
media, it's been stated that the motivation

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was likely drugs. Do you believe
that? I believe it. I believe

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that. But my thing is,
how did he know him? Now?

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What can you tell me about the
guy who owns the Kia. I saw

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that they recovered his car and he
is incarcerated. What's going on with this

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guy? I mean it was his
car, so he was either in the

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car or if he wasn't, he
should know what was going on in his

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car if he loaned it to someone
exactly. So, how come this guy

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hasn't been charged with being involved in
your son's death. I've been asking myself

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that for four years now, the
channe As the Sheriff's department has done nothing

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but gave me a runaround. For
four years, they have been the worst.

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They never gave me a victim's advocate
because I didn't know what to do.

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I had no clue. My son
was just murdered and I had to

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pay for his funeral. I had
to pay for everything, and I think

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I was treated unfairly and they don't
give a damn. It's also a possibility

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that your son's case, well,
he's being judged. Perhaps the cops were

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looking at it like, well,
this is just another dead drug dealer,

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regardless if he was just selling weed
or buying in it's hardly worth being chilled

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over. And your son still deserves
justice over weed. And what I find

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unique about your case is that you've
already got one of the people that's possibly

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involved already in jail. You did
recover his vehicle, and you also have

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a photograph of at least one of
the people involved. A lot of families

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I speak to, they don't even
have a vehicle, they don't have photographs,

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they have absolutely nothing. But your
case actually has a starting point.

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I even asked the detective that was
on the case. I even asked them

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if they can work with pair bond
laughs that does genetic DNA. They'll get

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like a picture of something and get
the person kin to that person so they

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can find out who it is.
They denied it. What kind of DNA

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does law enforcement have? Do you
know? I don't know. They haven't

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told me anything. They kept giving
me a runaround, telling me they have

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so much evidence, they have this, they have that they have nothing because

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they haven't done anything in almost five
years. How long did it take for

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law enforcement to recover the Kia after
your son was killed? A week?

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Okay, so let me ask about
the owner of the Kia, Hawkins.

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I'm assuming that he was not in
prison when your son was killed. Is

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that correct? No, he was
not in prison at the time. They

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told me that they snatched the phone
from somebody and they have phone evidence and

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all this other crap, but nothing
has been done. I can't even get

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them to identify the person in the
video the picture. How many men did

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your niece see in the car?
Now, she didn't know how many,

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but there was at least three or
four because my son would throw hands.

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He had some big ass hands and
he could fight, so they had to

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have two of them in the back
to hold him back there or have you

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know? And one of them had
to be driving, and one of them

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had to be driving another car.
And your niece's car was eventually recovered correct,

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Yes, and how long did that
take the same time it was involved

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in another shooting her car was Yeah. Now, I'm sure that there had

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to have been evidence inside her car. Oh, they said there was no

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evidence. The car was white,
clean, like it was brand new.

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But they have both cars. Now, did law enforcement find any of your

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son's blood in the Kia? But
they tell me he wasn't shot in the

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car? So then are you saying
that they made him get out of the

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car and then they shot him.
That's what I'm assuming because I kept asking

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if there was any evidence, any
blood, anything. They wouldn't tell me

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anything. They wouldn't give me anything. They gave me the name of that

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person that owned the car, and
that was it. Now, have you

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ever tried speaking to the owner of
the Kia? Have you ever tried to

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visit him while he's incarcerated and asked
for answers? No, No, I

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haven't. My husband won't let me
do that. Nope. I tried to

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get the detective and he kept saying
that he was everything, COVID come through

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and all this other bullshit. Yeah, every time it was something. Well,

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the cops have definitely spoken to him
by now. Perhaps he just isn't

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being truthful or he's just not willing
to speak to them. But think about

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it, what are you gonna do, just loan your car to someone and

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they're going to go out and shoot
someone and you didn't know anything about it,

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or you weren't there. People don't
tend to loan their cars too often

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to other people exactly. Well,
then if he does know anything, he

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hasn't said anything because there hasn't been
any arrests or any movement on this case.

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So whatever he does know or doesn't
know, he's obviously not telling anyone

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about it. Yeah. Yeah,
hasn't said anything. So how often do

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you contact law enforcement and ask for
updates? Once a month? Yeah,

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I contact him once a month.
They don't have anything to tell me his

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case has gone cold. Well,
it's difficult for me and probably people familiar

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with the case to understand how this
case could be cold because you have the

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owner of the car, and you
have the car exactly. That is what

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they tell me. His case is
gone cold. They even had a cold

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case people come through here in Milton
and was working on his case and nothing.

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I didn't get anything out of that. I've had him on Project Cold

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Case. They even put him in
a deck of card and we haven't got

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anything. Now, have you ever
requested a meeting with the chief of police?

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Now, me and my husband is
fixing to do that because we've done

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contacted the new detective that's on the
case and he keeps telling us nothing.

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He has nothing. So me and
my husband's fixing to sit down with this

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Bob Johnson whoever. Well, you
realize to keep this case in the public

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eye, you're gonna have to constantly
contact law enforcement, your local politicians,

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and of course the media, the
newspapers, your news channels. You're gonna

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have to do that just to keep
your son's name out there so that people

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don't forget about this crime. Yeah. I've done that too. I've been

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on Channel three news, Channel five
News. And you have to really be

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persistent about this because you know how
people are. They forget their memories,

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laps, people die. I mean, your son's case only happened several years

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ago. But it's possible that people
have just forgotten about it. They've moved

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on. Other crimes have happened,
So you want to constantly keep bringing his

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name up. Yeah, I'm sacing
to go back and get the media involved

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again because its disridiculous. It's almost
been five five years and he is nothing,

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no justice whatsoever for his murder and
the guy he gets out of prison

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soon. Is there currently a reward
out for any information about this case?

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They have a five thousand dollars reward
out and it hasn't went up since probably

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two or three years now. Well, maybe if he gets a chance,

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your family can raise some additional funds
to add to the reward, because in

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some cases a larger reward might be
a little more enticing. The crime stoppers.

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Yeah, they have the crime stopper. So what is your family doing

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to try to get justice? I
think that you said you're going to go

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to the media. Is that what
you've been doing since your son's death?

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Yes, through the media. Yeah, it's been nearly five years since Tyler

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Howe was murdered. The family is
frustrated that no one has been arrested for

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killing him. Law enforcement recovered the
Kia used to abduct Tyler, and they

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also know who owned the car.
The family has a difficult time understanding why

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the owner of the car hasn't been
connected with Tyler's homicide. For now,

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no one has been arrested for killing
Tyler. We'll take a final break and

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return with Angie's closing thoughts and her
please for someone to come forward with information

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about this case. Now, do
you have a Facebook page dedicated to Tyler's

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case? I don't think it's a
Facebook page. A friend of mine has

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a Facebook page set up. I
think it's Tyler Howell Murder and Milton or

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something like that. I can't remember
what it is, but yeah, I

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need to get something set up.
A Facebook page. Well, I'd highly

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recommend that you set up a Facebook
page committed to your son's memory, or

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something dedicated to solving his homicide,
something along those lines. I mean,

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Facebook is free and a lot of
people use it. Now. I know

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you said that your son was close
with his two siblings. I saw a

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story saying that Tyler's death has had
a pretty big effect on his sister.

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So tell me about how they feel
losing their brother. How's it affected their

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lives. It's been hard. Yeah, it's been hard on us all.

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His sister Lainly, she just had
her third child. He never got to

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meet any of them. And her
oldest one acts just like him. It's

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so rambunctos. And my youngest son, he has a daughter, and Tyler

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never got to meet his daughter either. And Tyler always wanted kids. He

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always talked about having kids. He
was always good with kids. It's too

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bad he didn't have the chance to
become a parent and have his own kids.

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Sounds like he probably would have been
a pretty cool dad. Yeah,

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he would have and cool uncle.
And I saw a story about how you

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visit Tyler's grave often every day or
every week, something along those lines.

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Is that true? Tell me about
that. Yeah, yes, And every

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time I go out my road,
because he was murdered right at the end

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of my road that we live on, I have to go by it every

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day when I come in, when
I go out, and I blow him

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a kiss and I tell him I
love him. Every day. I mean,

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every single time I drive by.
I haven't missed the time yet,

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but yes, I do go by
his grave. Does that bring you a

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lot of comfort and peace? Do
you talk to him. Believe me,

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I won't think you're crazy if you
tell me that you talked to him,

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because I do that with my dad, and I'm telling you it's okay to

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do that. Sometimes it really helps
talking to loved ones that are no longer

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with us. I do talk to
him. I do i'm having a hard

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day, or even when it was
here, I would always talk to him.

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I would get his opinion about everything. He would wrap his arms around

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me and he would have me and
his mama, Everything's gonna be okay,

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and kiss my forehead. It sounds
like you had a wonderful relationship with your

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son. We did, but we
were so much alike. We would argue.

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Oh my god, we would argue
back and forth. But because we

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were so much to like. I
bet you'd give just about anything to have

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another argument with him right now,
wouldn't you. I would, because we

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argued right before. It was like
as Thursday, before all this happened,

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and we argued. I said,
boy, get your ass out of the

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house, and he started walking down
the road and I ended up coming back

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that night and everything was fine.
We were all right. You know,

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sure, you can't stay mad at
your mom. I've gotten into arguments with

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my own mother. I could never
stay mad at my mother. I have

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messages on my phone and voicemails on
my phone from him, and we were

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message back and forth, and like
I said, right before, you know,

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we message about apartments and stuff.
And he was telling me that night

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that he wanted me to get ahold
of his cousin because his phone was messed

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up, and he wanted me to
tell her to come over and see him,

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and so I did, and she's
like, I don't know if I'm

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gonna make it over there, because
she didn't get off till ten o'clock.

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And he's like, I don't know
if I'm gonna make it over, which

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I guess he got to hold over
anyway, and she ended up coming over

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that night and taking him to the
store. If she wouldn't never come over,

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maybe he'd still be here. Yeah. Yeah, it's a tragedy that

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you don't know any more than what
you knew five years ago. You haven't

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learned anything new or seeing any justice
or any hint of any type of justice

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exactly. So for anyone that's listening
to this story and they know anything about

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your son's case, what law enforcement
agency would they need to contact if they

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know anything ten Rose a Sheriff's Department. And my final question that I would

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have for you is for anyone out
there that's listening to this that can hear

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your voice, if they know anything
about what happened to your son, what

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would you say to that person or
persons. Please let somebody know anybody.

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If it was your child, you
would not want to go through this.

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You would not want someone to go
through life not knowing who killed their child.

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So if you do know anything about
what happened to my son, Tyler

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Lee Howell, please get in touch
with somebody. If it's not me,

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if it's not the Chair's department,
it's somebody that knows him, his sister,

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I mean, anybody on Facebook that
knew him, any friends. Please.

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We just want justice for our son. And that concludes the story of

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Tyler Howe, who so viciously killed
this young man just down the road from

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his home. We know law enforcement
has recovered the Kia associated with Tyler's homicide,

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and we also know who owns the
Kia. Are we expected to believe

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that this man loaned his car out
to the men who killed Tyler and he

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doesn't know anything was he in the
car when Tyler was abducted. For now,

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Kiras Hawkins is incarcerated and he has
not been charged with any involvement in

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Tyler's death. The family is hopeful
that this will change is they believe that

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he is a key component in solving
Tyler's homicide. Angie Mantielow has said that

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she hopes that someone will step up
and do what's right for Tyler and break

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the code of silence. She knows
there are several people out there who have

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the answers that the family needs to
see justice for Tyler. If you have

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any information about this case, please
contact the Santa Rosa County Crime Stoppers number

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at eight five zero four three seven
stop. I will also be sure to

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provide this information in the case story
next. And if you are a parent,

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law enforcement official, friend, or
relative see Injustice for an Solve commicide

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case, please visit my website and
complete the contact form. You can also

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contact me through Facebook. Thank you
for listening.