Episode 169: Amanda Dean (Part 2 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
Might Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. Since twenty
fifteen, I've written a weekly newspaper

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column about true crimes and unsolved toomicides
for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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On July eleventh, twenty seventeen,
Caroline Tokar and Shannon Deane reported Amandadeane missing.

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Caroline is Amanda's mother and Shannon is
Amanda's older sister. They were deeply

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concerned about Amanda. She had disappeared
without a trace from Huron County, Ohio.

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Besides her mother and two sisters,
Amanda also had four sons. Those

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who knew her said that she would
not just leave without saying anything to anyone.

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The next day, hire On County
Sheriff Todd Corbyn assured the family not

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to worry about Amanda. They had
found her and closed the missing person's case

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because she was in a safe place. Over five years later, Corbyn would

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admit that he had not seen or
spoken with Amanda and had no idea where

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she was. Amanda's family now wants
to know why Corbyn failed to produce her

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or even lied about her whereabouts.
Amanda Dean a forty two year old mother

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of four, disappeared in twenty seventeen. She was extremely close to her mother

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and sister Shannon. Despite her best
efforts, Amanda wasn't very successful with men.

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A Florida native, Amanda eventually moved
to Ohio. Between her time in

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Florida and Ohio, she had also
lived in South Carolina. While living in

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South Carolina, she had found herself
in an abusive relationship where she was physically

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beaten. She was supposed to have
returned to South Carolina to testify against her

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abuser. It was her intention to
return, but unfortunately, she disappeared before

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doing so. While living in Colins, Ohio, Amanda became involved in another

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abusive relationship. Amanda's family had convinced
her to leave her abusive relationship, However,

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she would disappear before she was able
to leave. On July eleventh,

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twenty seventeen, Amanda Deane's mother,
Caroline Tokart, and her sister Shannadine,

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both of Sandusky, reported Amanda missing
and they were concerned about her welfare.

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The next day, Kuran County Sheriff
Todd Corbyn had told them that Amanda had

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been located and that she was safe
and a missing person's investigation was closed.

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Corbyn had told the family that Amanda
did not want to speak to them.

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Caroline gave the sheriff her phone number
and asked him to make sure that Amanda

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had it so that she could contact
the family. Unfortunately, no one has

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ever heard from Amanda in over five
years. Today, no one knows why

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Sheriff Corban claimed to have conversed with
Amanda and then later admitting to having no

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idea where she was. Local media
sources like the Sandusky Register have tried questioning

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Corbyn for answers, but he has
been tight lipped about the case. He

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would eventually turn the case over to
the Ohio BCI. Amanda's mother, Caroline,

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has refused to give up on finding
her daughter. She has spoken to

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the media and anyone else who is
willing to listen to her share of the

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details about her youngest daughter's disappearance.
Caroline has also publicly said that Sheriff Corban

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won't provide her with any answers about
her daughter. Before Amanda disappeared, she

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has sent a series of troubling text
to her sister Shannon that she feared her

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abusive boyfriend and was also a fear
of being killed. A group called the

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Cleveland Family Center for Missing Children and
Adults have assisted the family in their efforts

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to find Amanda. The Ohio Bureau
of Criminal Investigation has since taken over Amanda's

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case. Since Amanda's disappearance, she's
become a grandmother. Her son, Joshua,

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now has two children. He has
said publicly that he misses his mother

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and that she doesn't even know that
she's become a grandmother. The family has

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since learned that an anonymous caller had
contacted law enforcement claiming that Amanda's boyfriend was

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involved in her disappearance. For now, her former boyfriend, Fred Rear,

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has not been charged with having anything
to do with Amanda Deane's disappearance. For

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this story, I spoke to Caroline
Tokar and she and Nadine about the disappearance

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of Amanda Deane. This is the
conclusion of a two part story and now

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on with the story of Amanda Dean
is told by her sister, she and

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Dane. So, your mother told
me about life with your sister Amanda,

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and just different things about the sheriff's
apartment and answered some of my questions.

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I'm going to have you tell me
about your relationship as sisters and then having

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to watch her go through these abusive
relationships. Tell me about that, and

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then about the investigation. So I'll
start off by having you tell me more

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about your relationship with Amanda. My
relationship with Amanda and was a good like

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mom, says my older sister.
She was a con artist. She was

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like, you don't clean my room, We're not going to get any time

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with my friends and are I'm not
going to do whatever for you, and

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and of course bribery sisters. I
was the middle quiet one, so I

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wasn't about sides. And of course
my sister Amanda, she was. She

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was a go getter fighter. She
protected her sisters by all means. If

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we had any bullies, like any
she would It's like they would go running

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because she wouldn't have it. And
I just love that about her. It

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was so much fun. But as
growing up, we had our own friends

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because different groups, but at times
in New London we all played together and

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we would have the big getting together
because we got to go and write.

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Her bikes everywhere and we'd played football
with everybody. The greatest kind of growing

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up you could ever even imagine sledding. We went flooding with my dad.

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I mean the times where you could
actually go outside and play right, And

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you don't see that anymore. Everyone's
in the house, not like these days.

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For now. No, these days
I'm sheltering my little stun. I

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feel feel bad for my other two
are grown. But it's like, oh,

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I never thought a kind of world
it would end up to be.

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But I don't know, It's just
we felt safe back then, and it

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was great. And as we were
growing up, me and Amanda was always

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get in contact and we just never
parted. But then we parted as then

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I had a boyfriend, she had
a boyfriend, or I moved, she

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moved, and she moved to South
Carolina, But we'd always end up always

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seeming to come together, like it
just happened a couple of times. And

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when she was in Bercyrus, I'd
always hang out with her. We went

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to Mohican and we'd always do things
together. I was her closest one.

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I mean not to say Stephanie wasn't
close to us, but Stephanie had her

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own life too when she got married. But me and Amanda we just quicked

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like that. It was just something
we'd just been together. We went through

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a lot together, but we had
a lot of the same friend We lived

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together. Actually, there was a
time we did live together, and it

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was on mcdonas Street, and she
lived downstairs from me and I had upstairs

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from her, so it was pretty
cool. And she'd watched my kids or

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I'd watched her kids, and so
her best friend was staying with her too,

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Pianna and we just grew up together
basically, but as really good connection

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and good sisters. And I was
always there for her and she was always

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there for me. And or we
get mad at each other, we'd forgive

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each other then, you know,
normal lovely family stuff that people do.

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And me and Amanda were the same, like a lot of families. We

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just loved each other. Now,
from what I understand, she really didn't

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have too much luck with men.
So was there a certain kind of man

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that she liked. It sounds like
she liked a bad boy type of guy.

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What kind of men did she like
to go out with. I don't

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know what it was. It was
like she he I mean not at first,

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it was just young stuff, young
love. And she was with her

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kid's dads for a while. Actually
and then they end up breaking up.

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But it was like right when she
went to South Carolina or no, because

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she did have that one Imprestyrius,
okay, minus that one in Prostyrus,

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which I didn't even know he was
like that either, But I think I

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don't know if I had to do
with him drinking or anything, but he

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really hurt her. He broke her
collarbone, and I can't remember who exactly

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how he did it. I want
to say throughout the window, but I'm

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not totally sure. And it wasn't
like nothing like that ever against until she

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went to South Carolina and then I
hear about this guy and she's with all

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of a sudden, he literally stabbed
her in the leg, beat her up,

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cut her hair, and I don't
know if he was on something that

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day. I don't know if he
was one of those guys who were so

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sweet at hers and they liked to
talk to you and just get you lured

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in, and then once they get
you, it's like they think you're never

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going to leave type guy. And
then I think that's when it happened,

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because of course, no guy will
be at first punching somebody in the face

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while they're dating they're going to wait
until they lure you in, and then

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they're going to show their true colors. And of course, you know,

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women fall in love with that first
interaction and they can't seem to like build

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that for some reason. I don't
know if it's like a populve thing,

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but it sometimes it takes women longer
to let go of stuff. But some

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don't make it long enough to get
sick of it, because they hold on

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to that very beginning, like when
they first fell in love and they thought

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it was so magical. And then
when they sit there and say, oh,

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I'll change. I'm sorry, honey, I'll never do that again.

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I'm so sorry. Please forgive me, come back, please, i won't

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do it again. And then it's
good for the first three weeks, and

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then it happens again and then again, and then they make you fall in

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love again, and then it happens
again. It's like a repetitive, vicious

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single. But then some people it
clicks with them. They're like, oh,

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my goodness, I'm done with you. I'm done, I'm done trying.

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I'm not doing this no more.
I've had enough. But then some

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don't make it, and then some
actually until they get put in prison,

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or they have a chance to flee. You know, some have to hide

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the fact they're leaving the person,
or they have to hide it too fully,

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but sometimes they don't make it.
When a woman leaves her man,

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I think that it's best that she
not tell him because it's hard to say

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how he will react personally. I
had a cousin who was murdered after trying

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to leave her boyfriend. He shot
her to death and then he took his

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own life. And then years after
that, I had a co worker who

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had planned on leaving her husband.
She told her mother that she had to

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be discreet about it because she knew
that if he found out, he would

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kill her. Well, he did
find out, and he did kill her.

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It was a pretty bad situation because
she was so terrified of him and

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she really thought that she could get
away from him. But I think in

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her heart she probably knew that she
wouldn't be able to. And this sort

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of thing happens to so many women
across this country. Or you could probably

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make it a worldwide situation. Do
you have those people? Do you have

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those ones that, well, you're
not gonna live without me, and I'm

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not gonna live without you, and
I'll shoot you myself, and I'll shoot

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you. I think it's because people
are living without God and his judicial system.

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They're forgetting about morals, and people's
hearts are just grown cold and dark,

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and it's just people don't know how
to ask. I've been almost to

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every religion because that's just who I
am. I like to seek out things

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and know everything to do with religions
because nobody wants to be wrong. But

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I just let God lead the way, and that it was the one good

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thing I loved that Amanda did was
she did get baptized before this happened,

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and she was always a firm believer
of God and you know Jesus, and

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she always loved that because that's what
we grew up on. We are a

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Baptist. I mean, Dad did
right by getting this host of God.

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And I'm glad Amanda stoked that in. And Amanda was a homebody too.

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She loved being in one place.
She did not like to go too main

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places, but you know sometimes she
did, but she's a homebody. Now,

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you were talking about how some women
get abused and then just deal with

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it because they try to stay in
the relationship let's see if they can change

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the guy, and then you have
other one that will leave the first time

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a guy hits him. So which
one of these was your sister Amanda?

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Apparently she kept felling for to come
back. She would think that he was

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going to change, and he lied
to her and said, I'll change for

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you each and every time. So
you can categoryize that as in a person

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who kept trying to forgive somebody and
wanting something different from him, because apparently

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she saw something in him at first. Did the last guy that she dated

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before she disappeared, did he have
a record. Well, in twenty twenty,

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there was a record of him stolen
car. Nothing was done about it,

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but they reported it. But there
as far as I know, there

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is a few records, but he
was never charged with anything. But even

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though it stayed, he stole a
car and it was on his property here

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and human he had and that Amanda
stated that he punched her in the eye

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and gave her a black eye,
and they did nothing about it. There's

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so many other ones I don't know. They gave us his record, not

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the one that Mom asked for Amanda's
record, and they gave him Fred's record

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and There was a little bit of
records there, but nothing was ever to

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where he was charged or put in
jail. Four even the domestic violence that

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Corman said, did you know this
guy a man his last boyfriend. I

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didn't know him. I only met
him there Amanda, and I didn't like

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him, and he did not like
me because I didn't like him. In

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fact, I even have a text
from her. It says, don't get

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scared off because he wants you to
be scared off. He wants you to

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never come back. She said,
don't do that. Also, yeah,

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we didn't connect at all because I
think literally I felt like a bad vibe

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about him from the beginning, and
I really didn't that like him the first

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time I found out he hit Amanda. So that was a definite. Because

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I can actually be around somebody,
I can tell some good vibes or bad

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vibes, and if it's bad vibes, can't be around you. I can't.

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It's just something. Well, that's
why when you have gut feelings about

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something, I think that you should
always go with it. Yes, listen

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to it. Listen to it because
you will find out that most of the

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time it's correct. So let me
ask you this. Did you try to

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tell your sister that maybe if she
should just move on or find someone better.

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Did you tell her, hey,
you need to get the hell out

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of there. This guy is just
no good for you. Several occasions I've

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told her she needed to really think
about getting a new life, and she

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said, I am, You're right. If I don't get out of here,

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he'll kill me. That was our
last conversation too. And when was

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the last time that you spoke to
your sister. Last time I talked to

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her was like a week and a
half to maybe a week because I had

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to wait for a day off and
to go pick her up, but because

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it was so demanding with I was
working a lot with behavioral health because they

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didn't have the extra people. And
I told her on my next day off,

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I'll pick you up, and she
asked me if I could keep her

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stuff. And nice to knew because
at the time I wasn't in the right

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place either. I was going to
be moving to a different place, but

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we were so ready. I can't
believe I had her in the grasp of

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my hands, and just with I
think he found out she was leaving.

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I think that's what did it I
really do. I'm not sure if she

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vocalized that she was leaving. I
don't know, obviously, but I do

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know she planned on leaving, and
we had that conversation about her leaving this

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time. Now I spoke to your
mother about this. One of them most

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confusing things that I found about this
story was how the sheriff's apartment told your

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family, Oh, don't worry about
Amanda. She's said she got assaulted by

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this guy and she's in hiding and
we are in communication with her, and

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she's alive and fine. But then
they could never produce your sister, and

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then later on you find out that
no one from the sheriff's apartment has actually

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spoken to her or seen her.
That's probably one of the most baffling parts

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of this whole story. I found
that a long time ago. I never

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believed that sheriff for a minute what
was going on with that. I don't

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think anyone understands that part of the
story. When they hear about your sister's

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case. They just don't understand why
a sheriff's apartment would plaie to have seen

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someone and then later on come out
and say that they didn't see that person.

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They had no idea where that person
was. I mean, it's not

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a stolen bicycle or a shop blifting
case. We're talking about a human being,

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an abusive relationship that disappeared. Oh
my goodness. When I went to

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the Sheriff's department because Mom said that
I needed to report what Wren texts me.

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Wren, her boyfriend's mother, text
me this text saying, Wow,

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no Amanda in the cabin. I
hope she's safe with you and her and

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Fred I don't know, was just
never meant to be or she deserves a

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good guy and stuff like that.
I sent it to my mom and my

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mom was like, that does not
sound good at all, and so she

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had me go and report it,
and I did, and obviously they weren't

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doing anything. So I hosted a
get together to help find Amanda, and

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we all met at Walmart and Nowa
and so a lot of friends and family

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came and we were going to do
the search. And how ironic within a

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few hours of us getting together and
stuff and what we were playing on doing,

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and how we were waiting on everybody. We got there. We couldn't

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go on the property because somebody wants
to put signs out now the next day

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shooters will be shot if trespassing.
Who does that? The next day,

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well, come to find out,
we had to go to two houses down

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or something to look around in the
bushes and there was like a little pond

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area. It was narrow and I
end up falling into it, but I

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didn't care because I was searched for
her. But how I had the sheriff

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called my mother and they're like,
we need you at the station. So

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we go to the station and he
proceeds in telling us I had jumped through

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some hoop, but your daughter safe. And it was Shannon Mine who called

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my mom and left the message because
she didn't realize that he had called,

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and then she had called back,
and then that's when they were saying come

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to the station, and so we
went in and then they're pursued it in

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telling us Corbyn said we had jumped
her hooped to find her, but we

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found her and she's been a stay
home and so unfortunately Mom didn't know what

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to do. She went with it. Me on the other hand, I'm

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asking didn't she press charges? Why
isn't Fred arrested? And he's like,

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Amanda said, she didn't want to
press charges and she didn't want nothing to

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do with the family. Aren't like
what? And then him find out that

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he didn't even talk to Amanda,
He never even said anything to her.

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So I'm sooner like, well,
how in tarnation did Amanda not press charges

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if he never talked to her.
Shannon would receive a text from someone who

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knew Amanda's boyfriend, Fred Rear,
that stated that Amanda was alive and in

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a mental facility. Shannon said that
she never believed this story because she had

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worked in behavioral health and knew how
the process worked. She Handon knew that

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her sister wouldn't leave without telling her
family, and once she realized that her

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sister was missing, she immediately began
searching for her younger sister. Sheriff Corbyn

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had told the Palm like An Amanda's
family that Amanda was in a safe place

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and that she didn't want her family
to know where she was. She Handon

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has set up a web page about
her sister's case and shared many details about

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it. We will take a short
break and then hear her thoughts about how

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the Heron County Sheriff's Apartment has handled
Amanda's case. So I had my own

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web page and I was trying to
find a man of five and a half

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years ago, and I just didn't
get anywhere. And it never went anywhere

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because nobody did anything until finally people
stopped listening to Corbin saying she was in

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a safe house all the time,
as like, hello, they only keep

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you for thirty three days in the
max's two and a half years if there

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was a witness program involved, which
Frank was never even He was never even

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charged with anything, even though he
said it was in a very abusive domestic

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violence case. Come to find out, there are so many people who came

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forward about who was in shelters.
They never had Amandadine, And so his

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story stopped. And that's why he
pushed the file to BCI and said here

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you go. He washed his hands
of it because he knew from the beginning

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that there was no Amanda. He
did it for the family, He did

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it for them. So I don't
know. Abusers stick together, is what

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I say. Evil sticks together.
No, have you ever had a direct

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conversation with the share of face a
base and asked him, why did he

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say that your sister was in a
safe place knowing that that was not the

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truth. Have you ever called him
out for this? I never did,

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because Tom has tried several times to
go back and file missing report, and

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Corpin just kept telling her the same
thing. She's safe, She's going to

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safe home. She's told those sheriffs
in South Carolina the same thing. His

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theme kept going, and people kept
believing his lies until finally five and a

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half years later, because you can't
really say anything. Of course, I've

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been saying it because filing people are
listening, because I put it out there

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because I want everyone to know what
he has said. He haven't done nothing

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for Amanda. He even pushed the
file to be spies and I washed my

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hands and I'm done. He has
no remorse for anything or anybody. And

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this is not my first like out
from what I'm hearing, it's not the

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first time, but very corrupt,
very corrupt, and it's all coming to

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surface. I don't even know how
he's going to have to answer for everything,

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because they're going to be like,
okay, saying her body comes up

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and they find her remains, Has
Corbin going to answer for what he said?

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Yeah? I mean, how are
they all going to answer? That's

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an interesting point. Because what happens
is she turns up dead, and then

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if that happens, people are wanting
to know, well, how could you

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have spoken to her if she was
dead? Right now, he can deny,

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thanks, because her body's never been
found. But if her body is

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ever actually found, that could change
this entire investigation. And then according to

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what I've read on the internet,
there were reports about the boyfriend threatening to

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kill your sister and then stuff her
into a blue barrel. Yeah, because

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from what I'm gathering, he was
saying, there's reports about it that he

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was going to kill her and stuff
her in a blue barrel. And some

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anomalous caller called the police State and
the next day after they found out that

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Manda was missing and said Fred had
came to their house and he was like

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going crazy, saying, I'm a
killer, I'm gonna killer, I'm gonna

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put her in blue barrel, I'm
a killer. And he reported it and

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they didn't do nothing about it,
Like nothing. Yeah, yes, I

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did see an article that someone had
contacted the sheriff's apartment and told them that

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the boyfriend claimed that he was going
to kill your sister. Oh, it's

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on fire too, not even just
the article, and I've seen that picture

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of the blue barrel because I think
you've shared it on your sister's page,

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and you also sent a picture of
it to me as well. So that's

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kind of strange seeing that blue barrel
in the yard, knowing that there was

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a threat to put your sister in
that barrel. Well, it's no longer

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there because I found out, Yeah, he buried it in his house.

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Because I have a good source of
saying that her husband didn't realize what they

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were. He buried it and under
his house the cabin, took up the

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floor and put it underneath there because
he said he's going to use it as

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a septic tank in the cabin.
From what he told this guy, And

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so after Amanda's missing, they realized
that they realized, Oh my goodness,

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because they went there and they were
like, how's Amanda. And he said

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that, oh, she's sick.
She doesn't want to come out. She's

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really sick, and she doesn't only
in visitors. That's what she had told

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the guy, but they hadn't been
back. Every cent from what she had

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told me, this girl had messaged
me and she like reached out and was

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like, I'm just so I said, din't call bec I and tell them

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you really do. And so I
know a lot of people have a lot

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of people have called all kinds of
information. There's a lot of people who

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have came and said so many things
like and I guess a lot of people

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have moved away from the street because
it's just now horrible. I can't even

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imagine. But I'm surprised they're still
there. I just you know, it's

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now ten thousand dollars for the reward, and I have to do is find

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Amanda for the money. So I'm
sitting her, like, go ahead,

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go tear that whole place up to
find her. But I don't. I

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just really believe that for her disappearance
and for her not to contact the family,

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I mean, they are stereotyping her
from the get go, like she's

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a family person. She's going to
not talk to the family. She's a

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family girl. And how dare you
say in front of us that, well,

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maybe she's just that kind of a
person to have you talked to her?

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Do you even know what kind of
person she is? No, you

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haven't seen her, haven't talked to
her. And I did say that to

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be this because he said that to
me, And I was so upset when

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we went to go and file a
miss her report for the five and a

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half years later, because Sylvia told
us too, and she's been a missing

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foundation and oh she was living when
they were denying us. They said that

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we had to prove that she was
in danger in order for them to file

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missing report. I was like,
how do you know she's not in danger?

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She hasn't been known for five and
a half years anywhere. I mean,

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okay, if she was in a
safe house, I doubt they pay

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for your bills and pay for your
house and car and phone and you know,

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electrics and stuff like that in your
child support that you owe. I

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doubt they're going to pay for everything
for you for five and a half years

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and they want you to do better, so they're going to push you out.

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Where would she have gone? Who
does she know? She don't know

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anybody but us, and like her
friends here and people in South Carolina,

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you know, she knows a few
there, and my sister that's in South

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Carolina. I mean, she had
so many options that you know, if

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she went to a safe house and
she was done with her program, you

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know, it's whatever they had her
do, but there's a time limit.

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They're not going to support you for
five and a half years. So what

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do they do? Kick her off
to the street and say here you go,

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enjoy. I have a nice life, no house, no car,

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And why can't aby find her with
her SO Security number? There's no bills

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in her name, there's no SO
Security running up saying that she even has

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a cell phone in her name,
a car, a house, electricf you

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need, right, And I'm assuming
that your family has kept up with your

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sister's Social Security number and checked her
credit reports to make sure that there's no

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credit cards or bank accounts opened up
in her name. Does your family do

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that regularly? Keep up with her
account information? Yeah, we go on

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that lovely site that wants to charge
you a whole bunch of money to find

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out if they can find Amanda,
you know, Dean, And we've done

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that several times. In fact,
it was funny because I think Josh paid

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for the last one. But yeah, we've done like a lot of checkups.

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And we thought she was at this
one house and my boys and Josh

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actually went out there and I think
it was in Columbus, and they knocked

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on the door and stuff, but
it wasn't her because you know, there's

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like five hundred amandas around here Amanda
Dean's, so it was an ify chance,

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but they took the chance and they
actually went and looked for her,

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and it wasn't her. And then
we would look up numbers that used to

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be hers, any numbers that's registered
to Amanda Dean, we would look up

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that, and then none of them
came back. So you're saying that we'd

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have to believe that she's gone off
grid for five and a half years,

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and nobody does that, and you
and your family know that your sister wouldn't

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just walk away from her entire family, her kids, her grandkids without some

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kind of explanation. No, the
only way she's alive as if it's like

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all the other ones, all the
other cases where they're being held captive.

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But I don't see that considering the
fact that can't be because Corbyn said she's

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safe, she's in a safe home
for five and a half year, he

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said all the way up till Matt
Zadesky register went to his office or called

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him whichever one and asked him three
times, and he kept saying she's safe,

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she's in a safe house. So
that's why it's five and a half

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years. He's been saying that until
finally he can't find Amanda, and then

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he pushed it off to the BCI. He didn't start the BCI, Sylvia

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did and John ma Joy like.
They got the BCI involved and then they

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went to his office and asked about
it, and he pushed the file to

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them and said there you go like
nothing, but I'll come the truth.

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The truth will prevail and Corbyn's going
to have to answer. But whatever he

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did, but I guarantee his badge
is going to be strict. And Soil

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has a few others. Well,
I have a feeling that I'm going to

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agree with your mother where she says
that eventually the truth is going to come

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out about what happened to your sister. And I've talked to law enforcement officers

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and you know, just different people
for the podcast, and I realize that

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in some of these cases, the
family unfortunately isn't ever going to get an

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answer because let's say forty or fifty
years have passed and it's possible that many

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of the people involved are likely deceased. But in this situation, I feel

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that there's just something different because the
case isn't really that old, and you

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do have a law enforcement agency that's
actually working on the case and trying to

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find answers about what happened to Amanda. So I do think that your mom

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is right when she says that eventually
there will be answers and that the Ohio

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BCI will figure it all out.
And it sounds to me like there is

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progress being made on this case.
Eventually there's your own any Sheriff's apartment turned

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Amanda's case over to the Ohio BCI. Shannon has told me that they are

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more interested in finding out what happened
to Amanda. She said that people have

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changed how they feel about Amanda's case
because they no longer believe Sheriff Corbyn's explanation

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about Amanda being in a safe place. Most people now realize that Amanda was

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most likely a victim of foul play. We will take a final break and

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be right back with Amanda's thoughts on
how the Ohio BCI is handling her sister's

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case. So tell me about the
current investigation. Are you seeing a light

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at the end of the tunnel?
Does your family expect to get some answers

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sometime soon. How do you all
feel about the current instigators assigned to your

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sister's case. Oh, we got
the best guy on our case, John,

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that John and Job. But to
John's from bc EI, there's so

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many Johns right now, and he
is the best. I mean, he

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can tear open a five year old
missing persons and actually find them. I

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guess he's very good. Unfortunately,
they're starting from the beginning and we've had

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to wait five and a half years
later because finally people stopped listening to Corbin.

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That's why it never went anything anywhere, because people ask me, why

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now, why is it now?
Because people stopped listening to Corbin, Like

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he kept telling everybody the same thing, and they're finally getting it, like

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a no. And he wouldn't even
let us make a filing for a missing

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report for our own family member.
I've never heard of someone encountering to where

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they would be denied and they haven't
seen their family member for five and a

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half years. And why it that
he just can't stand us, you know,

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and it just does not like us, we'll help, doesn't want anything

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to do with this case. Why
is that? Wouldn't that just rub you

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the wrong way? Like you're saying, why do you have a problem with

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us? We're all good citizens.
We will do nothing. We're very polite,

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we're very kind, we're very loving, we don't get in trouble,

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we stay out of trouble. We've
never done anything to anybody. And yet

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you can't stand us. You can't
stand or standing here asking for a missing

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report or any other time my mother
has. You've just made her feel like

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a man is not worth finding.
He would sit there and just make us

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felt like we should not do this. Who does that? And then he

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just gives a stupid mark on his
face like, well, it's yeah,

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and it's so full. So it's
not like we're troubled people. We don't

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do that. We're very subtle and
we just want to find Amanda, that's

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all. And he has a problem
with that. Why why do you have

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a problem with us finding our own
family member. Doesn't that tell you something?

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Is it only me? Because I'm
telling you, I feel like am

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I the only one who's fils to
say I know they covered up something,

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something that's going on. I don't
know what the thing is. I've heard

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here and there that he's friends with
the father and he knows the family very

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well. And then I hear that
fred exactually an informant for them, So

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there's all kinds of different reasonings that
kind of kind of the surface that was

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like, oh, that makes sense, that's why he was never charged with

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anything because apparently he's an informant.
It makes sense because why is it that

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Corbin has a problem with us when
we're not even bad people at all.

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We're very good people. Do you
have a website or a Facebook page committed

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to your sister's case? Yes,
Finding Amanda helped find Amanda Dean and people

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report their tips directly through that page. No BCI. Okay, But what

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I'm saying is that there are people
out there who will not talk to law

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enforcement. So if someone had a
tip and they did not want to share

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it with law enforcement because maybe they
don't feel comfortable talking to the police,

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what could they do with that tip? Okay? If you don't like to,

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I would recommend. And she's very
good. You know that Cleveland Missing

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Foundation for Adults, our children an
adult with Sylvia. She's the best person

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to talk to. And she's not
a law enforcement she's not anything you know,

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like she would be glad to talk
to anybody who has any information about

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Amanda. That's who I would send
people to is Sylvia Colin. Okay,

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I'll definitely mention that information in this
case story notes. And the last question

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that I would have for you is
for anyone out there that's listening to this

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podcast episode, if they know anything
about what happened to Amanda, what would

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you say to that person or persons. There's ten thousand dollars for you if

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you can bring my sister home.
If anybody knows anything, please put it

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into my mom's misery. She's been
sessing for five and a half years.

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The whole family has. It's not
just her, but as a mother,

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it's a more stronger bond than the
rest of the family. If you can

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think about your family member, your
mother, and if your son or daughter

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comes missing, you know how that
terrorizes you. You know the difference because

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it's more painful for a mother to
go through this than anything to be having

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their own son or daughter's missing.
So please, anybody knows anything, nothing

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is too small, contact Sylvia from
the Cleveland Missing Foundation. I mean she

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can help you and or you don't
want to talk to the law, or

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if you do it's the BCI in
Ohio, and that concludes the story of

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Amanda Dean. What happened to Amanda
Dean when she disappeared back in twenty seventeen.

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In a series of phone texts,
Amanda told her sister Shannon that she

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had feared for her life. This
case has been extremely disturbing. After Amanda

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disappeared, Sheriff Todd Corvin told the
family that Amanda was alive and in a

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safe place. It brought them a
brief moment of comfort thinking that Amanda was

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safe. However, they would eventually
learn that Amanda was not in a safe

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place and that the sheriff had never
actually seen or spoken to Amanda. If

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you are interested in learning more about
this story, there's much information on the

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Internet about this case. There is
also a Facebook page called help Find Amanda

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Dean. There is also a ten
thousand dollars reward for any information leading to

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Amanda's whereabouts. If you know anything
about this case, you can provide tips

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to the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation
by calling them at one eight five five

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BCI, Ohio one eight five five
two two four six four four six.

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You can remain anonymous. You can
also reach out to Sylvia Cologne at the

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Cleveland Family Center for Missing Children and
Adults. Their phone number is two one

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six two three two six four seven
zero. And if you are a parent,

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law enforcement official, friend, or
relative seek injustice for an unsolved homicide

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case, please visit my website and
complete the contact form. You can also

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contact me through Facebook. Thank you
for listening.