Episode 169: Amanda Dean (Part 2 of 2)

0:13 Hello, and welcome to the Catch Might Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening. My name is Mark. Since twenty fifteen, I've written a weekly newspaper column about true crimes and unsolved toomicides for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio. On July eleventh, twenty seventeen, Caroline Tokar and Shannon Deane reported Amandadeane missing. Caroline is Amanda's mother and Shannon is Amanda's older sister. They were deeply concerned about Amanda. She had disappeared without a trace from Huron County, Ohio. Besides her mother and two sisters, Amanda also had four sons. Those who knew her said that she would not just leave without saying anything to anyone.

1:02 The next day, hire On County Sheriff Todd Corbyn assured the family not to worry about Amanda. They had found her and closed the missing person's case because she was in a safe place. Over five years later, Corbyn would admit that he had not seen or spoken with Amanda and had no idea where she was. Amanda's family now wants to know why Corbyn failed to produce her or even lied about her whereabouts. Amanda Dean a forty two year old mother of four, disappeared in twenty seventeen. She was extremely close to her mother and sister Shannon. Despite her best efforts, Amanda wasn't very successful with men.

1:51 A Florida native, Amanda eventually moved to Ohio. Between her time in Florida and Ohio, she had also lived in South Carolina. While living in South Carolina, she had found herself in an abusive relationship where she was physically beaten. She was supposed to have returned to South Carolina to testify against her abuser. It was her intention to return, but unfortunately, she disappeared before doing so. While living in Colins, Ohio, Amanda became involved in another abusive relationship. Amanda's family had convinced her to leave her abusive relationship, However, she would disappear before she was able to leave. On July eleventh, twenty seventeen, Amanda Deane's mother, Caroline Tokart, and her sister Shannadine, both of Sandusky, reported Amanda missing and they were concerned about her welfare.

2:47 The next day, Kuran County Sheriff Todd Corbyn had told them that Amanda had been located and that she was safe and a missing person's investigation was closed. Corbyn had told the family that Amanda did not want to speak to them. Caroline gave the sheriff her phone number and asked him to make sure that Amanda had it so that she could contact the family. Unfortunately, no one has ever heard from Amanda in over five years. Today, no one knows why Sheriff Corban claimed to have conversed with Amanda and then later admitting to having no idea where she was. Local media sources like the Sandusky Register have tried questioning Corbyn for answers, but he has been tight lipped about the case. He would eventually turn the case over to the Ohio BCI. Amanda's mother, Caroline, has refused to give up on finding her daughter. She has spoken to the media and anyone else who is willing to listen to her share of the details about her youngest daughter's disappearance. Caroline has also publicly said that Sheriff Corban won't provide her with any answers about her daughter. Before Amanda disappeared, she has sent a series of troubling text to her sister Shannon that she feared her abusive boyfriend and was also a fear of being killed. A group called the Cleveland Family Center for Missing Children and Adults have assisted the family in their efforts to find Amanda. The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation has since taken over Amanda's

4:23 case. Since Amanda's disappearance, she's become a grandmother. Her son, Joshua, now has two children. He has said publicly that he misses his mother and that she doesn't even know that she's become a grandmother. The family has since learned that an anonymous caller had contacted law enforcement claiming that Amanda's boyfriend was involved in her disappearance. For now, her former boyfriend, Fred Rear, has not been charged with having anything to do with Amanda Deane's disappearance. For this story, I spoke to Caroline Tokar and she and Nadine about the disappearance of Amanda Deane. This is the conclusion of a two part story and now on with the story of Amanda Dean is told by her sister, she and Dane. So, your mother told me about life with your sister Amanda, and just different things about the sheriff's apartment and answered some of my questions.

5:26 I'm going to have you tell me about your relationship as sisters and then having to watch her go through these abusive relationships. Tell me about that, and then about the investigation. So I'll start off by having you tell me more about your relationship with Amanda. My relationship with Amanda and was a good like mom, says my older sister. She was a con artist. She was like, you don't clean my room, We're not going to get any time with my friends and are I'm not going to do whatever for you, and and of course bribery sisters. I was the middle quiet one, so I wasn't about sides. And of course my sister Amanda, she was. She was a go getter fighter. She protected her sisters by all means. If we had any bullies, like any she would It's like they would go running because she wouldn't have it. And I just love that about her. It was so much fun. But as growing up, we had our own friends because different groups, but at times in New London we all played together and we would have the big getting together because we got to go and write.

6:40 Her bikes everywhere and we'd played football with everybody. The greatest kind of growing up you could ever even imagine sledding. We went flooding with my dad. I mean the times where you could actually go outside and play right, And you don't see that anymore. Everyone's in the house, not like these days. For now. No, these days I'm sheltering my little stun. I feel feel bad for my other two are grown. But it's like, oh, I never thought a kind of world it would end up to be. But I don't know, It's just we felt safe back then, and it was great. And as we were growing up, me and Amanda was always get in contact and we just never parted. But then we parted as then I had a boyfriend, she had a boyfriend, or I moved, she moved, and she moved to South Carolina, But we'd always end up always seeming to come together, like it just happened a couple of times. And when she was in Bercyrus, I'd always hang out with her. We went to Mohican and we'd always do things together. I was her closest one.

7:43 I mean not to say Stephanie wasn't close to us, but Stephanie had her own life too when she got married. But me and Amanda we just quicked like that. It was just something we'd just been together. We went through a lot together, but we had a lot of the same friend We lived together. Actually, there was a time we did live together, and it was on mcdonas Street, and she lived downstairs from me and I had upstairs from her, so it was pretty cool. And she'd watched my kids or I'd watched her kids, and so her best friend was staying with her too, Pianna and we just grew up together basically, but as really good connection and good sisters. And I was always there for her and she was always there for me. And or we get mad at each other, we'd forgive each other then, you know, normal lovely family stuff that people do.

8:37 And me and Amanda were the same, like a lot of families. We just loved each other. Now, from what I understand, she really didn't have too much luck with men. So was there a certain kind of man that she liked. It sounds like she liked a bad boy type of guy. What kind of men did she like to go out with. I don't know what it was. It was like she he I mean not at first, it was just young stuff, young love. And she was with her kid's dads for a while. Actually and then they end up breaking up. But it was like right when she went to South Carolina or no, because she did have that one Imprestyrius, okay, minus that one in Prostyrus, which I didn't even know he was like that either, But I think I don't know if I had to do with him drinking or anything, but he really hurt her. He broke her collarbone, and I can't remember who exactly how he did it. I want to say throughout the window, but I'm not totally sure. And it wasn't like nothing like that ever against until she went to South Carolina and then I hear about this guy and she's with all of a sudden, he literally stabbed her in the leg, beat her up, cut her hair, and I don't know if he was on something that day. I don't know if he was one of those guys who were so sweet at hers and they liked to talk to you and just get you lured in, and then once they get you, it's like they think you're never going to leave type guy. And then I think that's when it happened,

10:09 because of course, no guy will be at first punching somebody in the face while they're dating they're going to wait until they lure you in, and then they're going to show their true colors. And of course, you know, women fall in love with that first interaction and they can't seem to like build that for some reason. I don't know if it's like a populve thing, but it sometimes it takes women longer to let go of stuff. But some don't make it long enough to get sick of it, because they hold on to that very beginning, like when they first fell in love and they thought it was so magical. And then when they sit there and say, oh, I'll change. I'm sorry, honey, I'll never do that again.

10:58 I'm so sorry. Please forgive me, come back, please, i won't do it again. And then it's good for the first three weeks, and then it happens again and then again, and then they make you fall in love again, and then it happens again. It's like a repetitive, vicious single. But then some people it clicks with them. They're like, oh, my goodness, I'm done with you. I'm done, I'm done trying. I'm not doing this no more. I've had enough. But then some don't make it, and then some actually until they get put in prison, or they have a chance to flee. You know, some have to hide the fact they're leaving the person, or they have to hide it too fully, but sometimes they don't make it. When a woman leaves her man, I think that it's best that she not tell him because it's hard to say how he will react personally. I had a cousin who was murdered after trying to leave her boyfriend. He shot her to death and then he took his own life. And then years after that, I had a co worker who had planned on leaving her husband. She told her mother that she had to be discreet about it because she knew that if he found out, he would kill her. Well, he did find out, and he did kill her.

12:16 It was a pretty bad situation because she was so terrified of him and she really thought that she could get away from him. But I think in her heart she probably knew that she wouldn't be able to. And this sort of thing happens to so many women across this country. Or you could probably make it a worldwide situation. Do you have those people? Do you have those ones that, well, you're not gonna live without me, and I'm not gonna live without you, and I'll shoot you myself, and I'll shoot you. I think it's because people are living without God and his judicial system. They're forgetting about morals, and people's hearts are just grown cold and dark, and it's just people don't know how to ask. I've been almost to every religion because that's just who I am. I like to seek out things and know everything to do with religions because nobody wants to be wrong. But I just let God lead the way, and that it was the one good thing I loved that Amanda did was she did get baptized before this happened, and she was always a firm believer of God and you know Jesus, and she always loved that because that's what we grew up on. We are a Baptist. I mean, Dad did right by getting this host of God.

13:31 And I'm glad Amanda stoked that in. And Amanda was a homebody too. She loved being in one place. She did not like to go too main places, but you know sometimes she did, but she's a homebody. Now, you were talking about how some women get abused and then just deal with it because they try to stay in the relationship let's see if they can change the guy, and then you have other one that will leave the first time a guy hits him. So which one of these was your sister Amanda? Apparently she kept felling for to come back. She would think that he was going to change, and he lied to her and said, I'll change for you each and every time. So you can categoryize that as in a person who kept trying to forgive somebody and wanting something different from him, because apparently she saw something in him at first. Did the last guy that she dated before she disappeared, did he have a record. Well, in twenty twenty, there was a record of him stolen car. Nothing was done about it, but they reported it. But there as far as I know, there is a few records, but he was never charged with anything. But even though it stayed, he stole a car and it was on his property here and human he had and that Amanda stated that he punched her in the eye

15:05 and gave her a black eye, and they did nothing about it. There's so many other ones I don't know. They gave us his record, not the one that Mom asked for Amanda's record, and they gave him Fred's record and There was a little bit of records there, but nothing was ever to where he was charged or put in jail. Four even the domestic violence that Corman said, did you know this guy a man his last boyfriend. I didn't know him. I only met him there Amanda, and I didn't like him, and he did not like me because I didn't like him. In fact, I even have a text from her. It says, don't get scared off because he wants you to be scared off. He wants you to never come back. She said, don't do that. Also, yeah, we didn't connect at all because I think literally I felt like a bad vibe about him from the beginning, and I really didn't that like him the first time I found out he hit Amanda. So that was a definite. Because I can actually be around somebody, I can tell some good vibes or bad vibes, and if it's bad vibes, can't be around you. I can't.

16:14 It's just something. Well, that's why when you have gut feelings about something, I think that you should always go with it. Yes, listen to it. Listen to it because you will find out that most of the time it's correct. So let me ask you this. Did you try to tell your sister that maybe if she should just move on or find someone better. Did you tell her, hey, you need to get the hell out of there. This guy is just no good for you. Several occasions I've told her she needed to really think about getting a new life, and she said, I am, You're right. If I don't get out of here, he'll kill me. That was our last conversation too. And when was the last time that you spoke to your sister. Last time I talked to her was like a week and a half to maybe a week because I had to wait for a day off and to go pick her up, but because it was so demanding with I was working a lot with behavioral health because they didn't have the extra people. And I told her on my next day off, I'll pick you up, and she asked me if I could keep her stuff. And nice to knew because at the time I wasn't in the right place either. I was going to be moving to a different place, but we were so ready. I can't believe I had her in the grasp of my hands, and just with I think he found out she was leaving.

17:38 I think that's what did it I really do. I'm not sure if she vocalized that she was leaving. I don't know, obviously, but I do know she planned on leaving, and we had that conversation about her leaving this time. Now I spoke to your mother about this. One of them most confusing things that I found about this story was how the sheriff's apartment told your family, Oh, don't worry about Amanda. She's said she got assaulted by this guy and she's in hiding and we are in communication with her, and she's alive and fine. But then they could never produce your sister, and then later on you find out that no one from the sheriff's apartment has actually spoken to her or seen her. That's probably one of the most baffling parts of this whole story. I found that a long time ago. I never believed that sheriff for a minute what was going on with that. I don't think anyone understands that part of the story. When they hear about your sister's case. They just don't understand why a sheriff's apartment would plaie to have seen someone and then later on come out and say that they didn't see that person.

19:00 They had no idea where that person was. I mean, it's not a stolen bicycle or a shop blifting case. We're talking about a human being, an abusive relationship that disappeared. Oh my goodness. When I went to the Sheriff's department because Mom said that I needed to report what Wren texts me. Wren, her boyfriend's mother, text me this text saying, Wow, no Amanda in the cabin. I hope she's safe with you and her and Fred I don't know, was just never meant to be or she deserves a good guy and stuff like that. I sent it to my mom and my mom was like, that does not sound good at all, and so she had me go and report it, and I did, and obviously they weren't doing anything. So I hosted a get together to help find Amanda, and we all met at Walmart and Nowa and so a lot of friends and family came and we were going to do the search. And how ironic within a few hours of us getting together and stuff and what we were playing on doing, and how we were waiting on everybody. We got there. We couldn't go on the property because somebody wants to put signs out now the next day shooters will be shot if trespassing. Who does that? The next day, well, come to find out, we had to go to two houses down or something to look around in the bushes and there was like a little pond area. It was narrow and I end up falling into it, but I

20:32 didn't care because I was searched for her. But how I had the sheriff called my mother and they're like, we need you at the station. So we go to the station and he proceeds in telling us I had jumped through some hoop, but your daughter safe. And it was Shannon Mine who called my mom and left the message because she didn't realize that he had called, and then she had called back, and then that's when they were saying come to the station, and so we went in and then they're pursued it in telling us Corbyn said we had jumped her hooped to find her, but we found her and she's been a stay home and so unfortunately Mom didn't know what to do. She went with it. Me on the other hand, I'm asking didn't she press charges? Why isn't Fred arrested? And he's like, Amanda said, she didn't want to press charges and she didn't want nothing to do with the family. Aren't like what? And then him find out that he didn't even talk to Amanda, He never even said anything to her.

21:34 So I'm sooner like, well, how in tarnation did Amanda not press charges if he never talked to her. Shannon would receive a text from someone who knew Amanda's boyfriend, Fred Rear, that stated that Amanda was alive and in a mental facility. Shannon said that she never believed this story because she had worked in behavioral health and knew how the process worked. She Handon knew that her sister wouldn't leave without telling her family, and once she realized that her sister was missing, she immediately began searching for her younger sister. Sheriff Corbyn had told the Palm like An Amanda's family that Amanda was in a safe place and that she didn't want her family to know where she was. She Handon has set up a web page about her sister's case and shared many details about it. We will take a short break and then hear her thoughts about how the Heron County Sheriff's Apartment has handled Amanda's case. So I had my own web page and I was trying to find a man of five and a half years ago, and I just didn't get anywhere. And it never went anywhere because nobody did anything until finally people stopped listening to Corbin saying she was in a safe house all the time, as like, hello, they only keep you for thirty three days in the max's two and a half years if there

23:07 was a witness program involved, which Frank was never even He was never even charged with anything, even though he said it was in a very abusive domestic violence case. Come to find out, there are so many people who came forward about who was in shelters. They never had Amandadine, And so his story stopped. And that's why he pushed the file to BCI and said here you go. He washed his hands of it because he knew from the beginning that there was no Amanda. He did it for the family, He did it for them. So I don't know. Abusers stick together, is what I say. Evil sticks together. No, have you ever had a direct conversation with the share of face a base and asked him, why did he say that your sister was in a safe place knowing that that was not the truth. Have you ever called him out for this? I never did, because Tom has tried several times to go back and file missing report, and Corpin just kept telling her the same thing. She's safe, She's going to safe home. She's told those sheriffs in South Carolina the same thing. His theme kept going, and people kept believing his lies until finally five and a half years later, because you can't really say anything. Of course, I've been saying it because filing people are listening, because I put it out there because I want everyone to know what he has said. He haven't done nothing for Amanda. He even pushed the file to be spies and I washed my

24:37 hands and I'm done. He has no remorse for anything or anybody. And this is not my first like out from what I'm hearing, it's not the first time, but very corrupt, very corrupt, and it's all coming to surface. I don't even know how he's going to have to answer for everything, because they're going to be like, okay, saying her body comes up and they find her remains, Has Corbin going to answer for what he said? Yeah? I mean, how are they all going to answer? That's an interesting point. Because what happens is she turns up dead, and then if that happens, people are wanting to know, well, how could you have spoken to her if she was dead? Right now, he can deny, thanks, because her body's never been found. But if her body is ever actually found, that could change this entire investigation. And then according to what I've read on the internet, there were reports about the boyfriend threatening to kill your sister and then stuff her into a blue barrel. Yeah, because from what I'm gathering, he was saying, there's reports about it that he was going to kill her and stuff her in a blue barrel. And some anomalous caller called the police State and the next day after they found out that Manda was missing and said Fred had came to their house and he was like

26:07 going crazy, saying, I'm a killer, I'm gonna killer, I'm gonna put her in blue barrel, I'm a killer. And he reported it and they didn't do nothing about it, Like nothing. Yeah, yes, I did see an article that someone had contacted the sheriff's apartment and told them that the boyfriend claimed that he was going to kill your sister. Oh, it's on fire too, not even just the article, and I've seen that picture of the blue barrel because I think you've shared it on your sister's page, and you also sent a picture of it to me as well. So that's kind of strange seeing that blue barrel in the yard, knowing that there was a threat to put your sister in that barrel. Well, it's no longer there because I found out, Yeah, he buried it in his house.

26:59 Because I have a good source of saying that her husband didn't realize what they were. He buried it and under his house the cabin, took up the floor and put it underneath there because he said he's going to use it as a septic tank in the cabin. From what he told this guy, And so after Amanda's missing, they realized that they realized, Oh my goodness, because they went there and they were like, how's Amanda. And he said that, oh, she's sick. She doesn't want to come out. She's really sick, and she doesn't only in visitors. That's what she had told the guy, but they hadn't been back. Every cent from what she had told me, this girl had messaged me and she like reached out and was like, I'm just so I said, din't call bec I and tell them you really do. And so I know a lot of people have a lot of people have called all kinds of information. There's a lot of people who have came and said so many things like and I guess a lot of people have moved away from the street because it's just now horrible. I can't even imagine. But I'm surprised they're still there. I just you know, it's now ten thousand dollars for the reward, and I have to do is find Amanda for the money. So I'm sitting her, like, go ahead, go tear that whole place up to find her. But I don't. I just really believe that for her disappearance and for her not to contact the family, I mean, they are stereotyping her from the get go, like she's

28:29 a family person. She's going to not talk to the family. She's a family girl. And how dare you say in front of us that, well, maybe she's just that kind of a person to have you talked to her? Do you even know what kind of person she is? No, you haven't seen her, haven't talked to her. And I did say that to be this because he said that to me, And I was so upset when we went to go and file a miss her report for the five and a half years later, because Sylvia told us too, and she's been a missing foundation and oh she was living when they were denying us. They said that we had to prove that she was in danger in order for them to file missing report. I was like, how do you know she's not in danger?

29:12 She hasn't been known for five and a half years anywhere. I mean, okay, if she was in a safe house, I doubt they pay for your bills and pay for your house and car and phone and you know, electrics and stuff like that in your child support that you owe. I doubt they're going to pay for everything for you for five and a half years and they want you to do better, so they're going to push you out. Where would she have gone? Who does she know? She don't know anybody but us, and like her friends here and people in South Carolina, you know, she knows a few there, and my sister that's in South Carolina. I mean, she had so many options that you know, if she went to a safe house and she was done with her program, you know, it's whatever they had her do, but there's a time limit.

30:03 They're not going to support you for five and a half years. So what do they do? Kick her off to the street and say here you go, enjoy. I have a nice life, no house, no car, And why can't aby find her with her SO Security number? There's no bills in her name, there's no SO Security running up saying that she even has a cell phone in her name, a car, a house, electricf you need, right, And I'm assuming that your family has kept up with your sister's Social Security number and checked her credit reports to make sure that there's no credit cards or bank accounts opened up in her name. Does your family do that regularly? Keep up with her account information? Yeah, we go on that lovely site that wants to charge you a whole bunch of money to find out if they can find Amanda, you know, Dean, And we've done that several times. In fact, it was funny because I think Josh paid for the last one. But yeah, we've done like a lot of checkups.

31:00 And we thought she was at this one house and my boys and Josh actually went out there and I think it was in Columbus, and they knocked on the door and stuff, but it wasn't her because you know, there's like five hundred amandas around here Amanda Dean's, so it was an ify chance, but they took the chance and they actually went and looked for her, and it wasn't her. And then we would look up numbers that used to be hers, any numbers that's registered to Amanda Dean, we would look up that, and then none of them came back. So you're saying that we'd have to believe that she's gone off grid for five and a half years, and nobody does that, and you and your family know that your sister wouldn't just walk away from her entire family, her kids, her grandkids without some kind of explanation. No, the only way she's alive as if it's like all the other ones, all the other cases where they're being held captive.

31:59 But I don't see that considering the fact that can't be because Corbyn said she's safe, she's in a safe home for five and a half year, he said all the way up till Matt Zadesky register went to his office or called him whichever one and asked him three times, and he kept saying she's safe, she's in a safe house. So that's why it's five and a half years. He's been saying that until finally he can't find Amanda, and then he pushed it off to the BCI. He didn't start the BCI, Sylvia did and John ma Joy like. They got the BCI involved and then they went to his office and asked about it, and he pushed the file to them and said there you go like nothing, but I'll come the truth.

32:44 The truth will prevail and Corbyn's going to have to answer. But whatever he did, but I guarantee his badge is going to be strict. And Soil has a few others. Well, I have a feeling that I'm going to agree with your mother where she says that eventually the truth is going to come out about what happened to your sister. And I've talked to law enforcement officers and you know, just different people for the podcast, and I realize that in some of these cases, the family unfortunately isn't ever going to get an answer because let's say forty or fifty years have passed and it's possible that many of the people involved are likely deceased. But in this situation, I feel that there's just something different because the case isn't really that old, and you do have a law enforcement agency that's actually working on the case and trying to find answers about what happened to Amanda. So I do think that your mom is right when she says that eventually there will be answers and that the Ohio BCI will figure it all out. And it sounds to me like there is progress being made on this case. Eventually there's your own any Sheriff's apartment turned Amanda's case over to the Ohio BCI. Shannon has told me that they are more interested in finding out what happened to Amanda. She said that people have changed how they feel about Amanda's case because they no longer believe Sheriff Corbyn's explanation

34:16 about Amanda being in a safe place. Most people now realize that Amanda was most likely a victim of foul play. We will take a final break and be right back with Amanda's thoughts on how the Ohio BCI is handling her sister's case. So tell me about the current investigation. Are you seeing a light at the end of the tunnel? Does your family expect to get some answers sometime soon. How do you all feel about the current instigators assigned to your sister's case. Oh, we got the best guy on our case, John, that John and Job. But to John's from bc EI, there's so many Johns right now, and he is the best. I mean, he can tear open a five year old missing persons and actually find them. I guess he's very good. Unfortunately, they're starting from the beginning and we've had to wait five and a half years later because finally people stopped listening to Corbin.

35:30 That's why it never went anything anywhere, because people ask me, why now, why is it now? Because people stopped listening to Corbin, Like he kept telling everybody the same thing, and they're finally getting it, like a no. And he wouldn't even let us make a filing for a missing report for our own family member. I've never heard of someone encountering to where they would be denied and they haven't seen their family member for five and a half years. And why it that he just can't stand us, you know, and it just does not like us, we'll help, doesn't want anything to do with this case. Why is that? Wouldn't that just rub you the wrong way? Like you're saying, why do you have a problem with us? We're all good citizens. We will do nothing. We're very polite, we're very kind, we're very loving, we don't get in trouble, we stay out of trouble. We've never done anything to anybody. And yet you can't stand us. You can't stand or standing here asking for a missing report or any other time my mother has. You've just made her feel like a man is not worth finding. He would sit there and just make us felt like we should not do this. Who does that? And then he just gives a stupid mark on his face like, well, it's yeah, and it's so full. So it's not like we're troubled people. We don't do that. We're very subtle and we just want to find Amanda, that's

37:00 all. And he has a problem with that. Why why do you have a problem with us finding our own family member. Doesn't that tell you something? Is it only me? Because I'm telling you, I feel like am I the only one who's fils to say I know they covered up something, something that's going on. I don't know what the thing is. I've heard here and there that he's friends with the father and he knows the family very well. And then I hear that fred exactually an informant for them, So there's all kinds of different reasonings that kind of kind of the surface that was like, oh, that makes sense, that's why he was never charged with anything because apparently he's an informant. It makes sense because why is it that Corbin has a problem with us when we're not even bad people at all.

37:51 We're very good people. Do you have a website or a Facebook page committed to your sister's case? Yes, Finding Amanda helped find Amanda Dean and people report their tips directly through that page. No BCI. Okay, But what I'm saying is that there are people out there who will not talk to law enforcement. So if someone had a tip and they did not want to share it with law enforcement because maybe they don't feel comfortable talking to the police, what could they do with that tip? Okay? If you don't like to, I would recommend. And she's very good. You know that Cleveland Missing Foundation for Adults, our children an adult with Sylvia. She's the best person to talk to. And she's not a law enforcement she's not anything you know, like she would be glad to talk to anybody who has any information about Amanda. That's who I would send people to is Sylvia Colin. Okay, I'll definitely mention that information in this case story notes. And the last question that I would have for you is for anyone out there that's listening to this podcast episode, if they know anything about what happened to Amanda, what would you say to that person or persons. There's ten thousand dollars for you if you can bring my sister home. If anybody knows anything, please put it

39:22 into my mom's misery. She's been sessing for five and a half years. The whole family has. It's not just her, but as a mother, it's a more stronger bond than the rest of the family. If you can think about your family member, your mother, and if your son or daughter comes missing, you know how that terrorizes you. You know the difference because it's more painful for a mother to go through this than anything to be having their own son or daughter's missing. So please, anybody knows anything, nothing is too small, contact Sylvia from the Cleveland Missing Foundation. I mean she can help you and or you don't want to talk to the law, or if you do it's the BCI in Ohio, and that concludes the story of Amanda Dean. What happened to Amanda Dean when she disappeared back in twenty seventeen.

40:23 In a series of phone texts, Amanda told her sister Shannon that she had feared for her life. This case has been extremely disturbing. After Amanda disappeared, Sheriff Todd Corvin told the family that Amanda was alive and in a safe place. It brought them a brief moment of comfort thinking that Amanda was safe. However, they would eventually learn that Amanda was not in a safe place and that the sheriff had never actually seen or spoken to Amanda. If you are interested in learning more about this story, there's much information on the Internet about this case. There is also a Facebook page called help Find Amanda Dean. There is also a ten thousand dollars reward for any information leading to Amanda's whereabouts. If you know anything about this case, you can provide tips to the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation by calling them at one eight five five BCI, Ohio one eight five five two two four six four four six.

41:30 You can remain anonymous. You can also reach out to Sylvia Cologne at the Cleveland Family Center for Missing Children and Adults. Their phone number is two one six two three two six four seven zero. And if you are a parent, law enforcement official, friend, or relative seek injustice for an unsolved homicide case, please visit my website and complete the contact form. You can also contact me through Facebook. Thank you for listening.