Episode 167: Tyler Cardiel (Part 2 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. Since twenty
fifteen, I've written a weekly newspaper

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column about true crimes and unsolved comm
sides for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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Tyler Cardial was an eighteen year old
young man who was considered a good

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guy who was loved by his family
and friends. Tyler was a kind of

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person any parent would love to have
as a son. He lived in Arizona,

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enjoyed video games with his buddies,
and planned on attending college. He

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worked at a local circle case store
and worked many hours to save up money

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for a truck. According to his
mother, Monique, he had saved several

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thousands of dollars towards his truck.
On Christmas Day twenty twenty, while walking

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home from work, he was shot
and killed by an angry homeless man seeking

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a victim. This is the conclusion
of a two part story. If you

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haven't listened to the first half,
please go back and listen to it.

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Tyler Cardiel was an eighteen year old
young man who was considered kind and friendly.

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He was someone who didn't have a
criminal background. Any known enemies or

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any alcohol or drug issues. His
mother said that he hated the Arizona heat

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and spent much of his time indoors
playing video games with his friends when he

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wasn't working. Tyler had plans on
attending college. He lived with his mother,

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Monique, and his younger brother.
Tyler was able to find a job

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at a circle k near his home. He was scheduled to work on Christmas

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Eve and then get off Christmas Day, go home and spend time with his

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family, and then return to work
to Christmas shift. So Christmas morning,

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Tyler's mother and brother were waiting at
their apartment for Tyler to arrive home so

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they could open Christmas presents. Unfortunately, Tyler never made it home. His

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mother began frantically calling around trying to
find her son. Monique Cardio, Tyler's

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mother never wanted her son to work
at that circle k. She was fearful

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that something might happen to him.
She had told the local media's source that

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it was Tyler's first Christmas away from
home. She remembered asking him if he

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really had to go to work on
Christmas. He told his mother that he

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had already agreed to go to work
and needed to go, but before leaving

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on Christmas Eve, he gave his
mother a hug and reassured her that he'd

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be back home later to open Christmas
gifts. When he didn't return home,

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Monique went out looking for her son. She followed the path that he would

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take home, only to discover Phoenix
police officers near her son's job. They

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had cordon off a street and put
up crime scene tape. Monique saw a

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dead body covered with a blue blanket. Her gut instinct told her that this

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was probably her son. Monique would
find out that someone had murdered her son.

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As he had walked home from work, someone had shot him to death.

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Law enforcement later learned that a young
man was assaulted and nearly killed at

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another circle k two days prior to
Tyler's death. The attacker had stolen this

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young man's gun. The police found
out that there was a connection between that

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attack in Tyler's death. The same
man who had assaulted this other young man

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was the same man who had killed
Tyler. It was a homeless man named

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Timothy Bell. He had shot Tyler
to death with a nine millimeter glock.

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His motivation he was angry about being
homeless and decided that he was going to

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take it out on someone. Unfortunately, that someone just happened to be Tyler

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as he walked past Bell on that
Christmas morning. Bell would eventually be captured

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after a failed suicide attempt where he
shot himself in the head. Although he

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survived, he lost an eye.
Bell's trial was supposed to start last year,

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but hasn't. His legal strategy is
that he suffered immense brain damage in

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his suicide attempt and isn't mentally competent
to stand trial today. Tyler Cardial's family

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is still waiting for justice. Bell
has not gone on trial yet. A

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Monique Cardial is fearful that her son's
killer won't face justice and now on with

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the conclusion of Tyler Cardial's story as
told by his mother, Monique Cardial,

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Christmas is a time for families.
The Cardial household, they always spent Christmas

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Eve and Christmas Day together. Monie
did not want her son to go to

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work. She didn't feel right about
him going to work on that day.

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However, he was an adult,
so she kept her reservations to herself.

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Little did she know that when he
would walk out the door on Christmas Eve,

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she would never see her son again. We will pause for a moment

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and be right back with Monique Sharon
her thoughts about the final moments that she

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spent with her son Tyler. So, I'm a parent. I was sad.

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I was proud of him, but
really sad. And so he was

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just getting ready for work Christmas Eve. I was in my room wrapping some

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prisons said I had got him and
his brother, and he knocked the door

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and told me he was going to
get ready to go, and I said,

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okay. So he went in the
bathroom and did his hair and came

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out and brought his food from dinner
and went in the kitchen and he was

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standing there by the trash Karen in
the sink. And then he's like,

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I'll see you later. And I
was in the hallway. I was like,

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what do you mean. And he's
like, I gotta go to work.

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I'm gonna's late. You're just gonna
say, you know, i'll see

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you later. I like, it's
Christmas. Do you have to go?

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He's like, I have to.
I'm on the schedule. And he's like,

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mother, it'll be fine. I'm
just going to work. I'll be

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home. And I don't know.
I don't know what it was. I

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just didn't feel right, and so
I started to cry and he came over

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to me and he's like, mom, i'll be fine. I'll be home

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after work, and then he gave
me a hug. And when he normally

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left the work, he never hugged
me. It was like in passing,

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he does okay leaving and sometimes I
was at home so it went like an

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everyday thing where he'd hugged me goodbye. But that night he hugged me and

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he like held on for ten seconds, twenty seconds, and then he left

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and when he got to the door, he's like, I'll text you later

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with my schedule. And then his
brother goes, oh, Tye, you're

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gonna miss Christmas. And he's like, it'll be fine, I'll home tomorrow.

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And his little brother got up and
ran over and gave him a hug,

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and I just remember that he gave
us both hugs and then he left

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and he text me at work to
the schedule, and I was sad,

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and he's like, i'll be home, and I told him, how about

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if I get you a lift in
the morning, even though it's not even

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a full mile walk, just so
he can get home faster since he was

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going to only be able to sleep
for like less than six five hours.

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So he's like, no, because
I can't leave until the other employee comes

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in and she's always late. They
don't call a lift because what if I

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can't even it's sitting here waiting.
So I was like, okay, so

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call me then, and he's like, I'll get home because the man manager,

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Christine, she also gets off.
She comes in for a few hours

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and she gets off when I get
off, She'll give me a ride home.

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And he was like, I'm not
even worried about him, but there

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I'm fine. So I'm like,
okay, just call me in the morning

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before you leave, and he's like
okay, so lot Grim present and they

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may you know. I text him
Marry Christmas, honey, I wish you

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were here. I love you,
and replied back to me that they loved

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me, and then he told me
he might have to stay till six thirty.

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He didn't know for sure, and
so I was like, okay.

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Well, he's like, I have
a ride home, and I was like,

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are you sure and he said yeah. I said, I just want

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you to get home so you can
get some rest because you have a long

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day ahead of you. So he
got off that six and because he was

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gone for the open presents at midnight, his brother and I had moved the

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Christmas tree into his bedroom right by
the door, so right when he would

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open the door, he'd be blocked
by the Christmas tree and all of his

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presence. And then we hung up
lights in his room and we were just

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excited. And you're hanging up lights
and putting the tree in there, and

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then I started cleaning. I get
his laundry and wiped everything down, took

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out his trash. It was all
clean, and would put his presence out.

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And so I unplugged the tree and
went to bed about three o'clock in

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the morning and set my alarm for
six twenty so that I could wake up

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and then plug the lights in and
be here when he got home so I

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could watch him open his presence.
And I was sleeping and I jumped up,

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And it's that feeling you get when
when you're like, oh my gosh,

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I overslept. I slept through my
alarm and your heart's pounding and you're

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in a panic, and that's what
happened. I jumped up, and I

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was like looking everywhere in the dark
for my phone because I thought I had

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slept through my alarm and that I
didn't get to see him open his presence.

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And then I looked at my phone
and it was six sixteen, and

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I was like, oh, I'm
just a few minutes before it's going to

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go off on he's not home.
I'm good. So I got out of

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bed and as I was walking to
his room, my legs were shaking,

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but at the time I didn't think
anything of it because I slept with my

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window open and it was cold,
and so I'm trembling as I'm putting the

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lights on and getting things ready.
And so six thirty comes and he's not

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here, and so I'm like,
okay. He said he might have to

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stay till six thirty. So then
I went in my room and I just

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stayed in my room. My door
opened, and he didn't come home.

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Finally, I get up a seven
ten and I'm like, okay, if

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he was going to stay till six
thirty, he would be home. It

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was like twenty to twenty five minute
walk at the most. So I got

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out, checked his room, nothing, went in the living room, walked

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around nothing, and I grabbed my
phone, and I was like, okay,

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where are you? How can we
not here? Because we have been

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having those discussions about him being treated
like a baby and he didn't like it.

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So I was like, okay,
I'm not going to start bombarding him

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yet with calls and text messages.
I'm going to give him some space.

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He's going to be here. Never
in my mind did I think anything was

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going to happen. Never, nothing
but expecting my son to just come home.

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I wasn't worried at that point.
So at seven fifteen, seven twenty,

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and I'm just pacing and I don't
normally pace, but I was just

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pacing the apartment because we're in an
apartment. And finally, like seven thirty,

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I'm like, all right, something
is wrong. And when he is

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late because he has to work because
this girl doesn't come in on time,

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he has texted me and said I'm
gonna be a little late. So I

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hadn't gotten a text or a call
and at seven thirty and so I'm like,

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okay, something's wrong. So I
text him, hey, son,

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where are you? Nothing seven forty
I text him again, I'm like,

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are you still working? Are you
going to still work from noon until the

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next day, like you need to
get home to get sleep, and then

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nothing. It's about seven fifty I
called and nothing. So I was like,

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okay, maybe he's busy. But
my heart was just pounding and I

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don't know what it was, but
something just made me go and take a

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shower and I had my phone in
the shower and it was just weird idea.

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It was off. Everything was off
that morning. So I'm getting ready

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and I'm doing it fast. It's
almost like my body or my soul knew

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something's about to go down. Get
ready. It was weird. So I

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got out. I didn't get all
maked up in hair like I normally would.

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I just got myself together and by
then it was about eight thirty almost,

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and so I texted him again.
I'm like where are you? You

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need to get home and then I
put hello and I a question mark and

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I'm like ty where are you?
And nothing. And then I called and

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it went to voice him out,
and I called and called it. It

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was a voicemail and I'm like,
what is happening? So I call his

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job. The girl answers and I'm
like, hello, it's Tyler there.

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It's like no, I'm like,
do you know when he left. She's

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like, I have no idea,
And I was like, are you sure

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and she's like yeah. And it
didn't make sense to me because this was

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the girl that was late and he
couldn't leave unto a shot there, So

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I was confused as to why he
wasn't there when she got there. It

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didn't make sense. She just kept
saying he wasn't here when I got here,

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and she got mad and she hung
up because I was questioning it.

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I didn't make sense to him,
I don't know, so she hung up

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on me. So I was irritated. Then I started calling my son and

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nothing. I started calling hospitals.
I called three hospitals. Nobody had heard

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of them. Nobody was brought in
with his description or his name or anything.

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And then this lady like, are
you sure he's just not late?

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And I told her this is hours
late. We're just down the street.

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Something's wrong. She's like, have
you called the jail. I was like,

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jail, you don't know my son. She's like, yeah, but

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you never know. I was like, no, absolutely not. So we

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hung up, and my mind's just
spitting everywhere and there was nothing to do.

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I called them, text them nothing. So I'm like, I'm going

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to see if the jails and see
if they had heard anything, and of

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course they didn't, and so I
was like, okay, no hospitals,

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no jail. He's not at work, he's not answering our calls. Something's

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wrong. So I woke up my
younger son and told him, your brother's

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not home. He's not at work, he's not answering calls or tech.

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I'm gonna go walk his route to
work, which is just a straight line,

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and when I get there, I'm
gonna ask questions because they said that

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he wasn't even there when she got
there. And he's like okay, And

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I told him if he comes in
or he calls or replies to your text

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messages, you call me immediately.
You tell him to wait, and he

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said, okay, mom. So
then my boyfriend and I started to go

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out to the street. We're an
apartment, so we had to walk a

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couple of buildings to the main road. And there's a fire station right in

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front of our apartment. And as
soon as you get to the fire station,

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you'd just make a left and then
you just walked right down for less

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than half a mile. That's where
his job is and normally and I would

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go out there. I could see
him walking. So we got to the

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street and I made the left and
all I could see in the distance is

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a police barricade, all these cup
cars and the tape up and do not

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pass and the street closed everything,
And my heart dropped and I started writing.

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And my boyfriend's like, calm down, and I was like, that's

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my son, and he's like,
you don't know that. I'm like,

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it's my son. And we just
ran and we got to the barricade and

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I just went to the cop car
and I was like, excuse me,

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my son hasn't come home and he
walks this street. He should have been

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home by six thirty. I need
to know who that is. Because when

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we got really close to the barricade, in the far off distant at a

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light, you could see a blue
blanket on the ground and I just knew.

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And cop was like, we don't
know who it did. What's your

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son's name? And I was like
Tyler Cartio. And he was looking in

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the computer and looking like I've seen
any things, and he's just going through

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screens and I'm watching his face and
his face changes and he's like, oh,

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I don't see anything, but let
me get a detective to come over

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and talk to you. And I
was like okay. So I'm standing there

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waiting, pacing, and I'm like
if someone going to come. He's like,

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someone will come. Hold on and
Auntie, I want to know what's

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happening. Ry anxieties high and I'm
starting to get angry and I'm like,

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I need to know who that is. And he was like, someone's coming.

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So I'm standing there. It's forty
five minutes. I'm standing there and

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all of a sudden, a red
van pulls up and it says being Expide

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Department and two women get out of
the stand and they're like, hello,

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are you MONI? I said yes, and she's like, we're here for

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you. I was like what.
She's like, we're from crisis response and

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we're here for you. I was
like, why are you here for me?

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And she's like, oh, because
aren't used the family of the victim.

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And I was like, so that's
my son and she's like, oh,

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I don't know who that is.
I'm like, then, why are

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you here for me? So she's
like I don't know. Like she was

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so confused. I jumped over the
barricade and ran, and the cop that

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I was talking to get information he
was like stop, and I just kept

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running, and pretty soon all the
detectives and cops that were down the road

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looked over because he yelled stopped and
I'm running. So they all start staying

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stop and they start running towards me, and I make it all the way

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to the light called Glenn Rosa and
maybe third Avenue on the south side of

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the light, and the blue blanket
on the ground is on the north side,

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and so I'm standing there and they're
like, you need to go back

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behind the line, and I was
like, I need someone to tell me

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who that is, and they're like, we don't know. I'm like,

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I need to know who that is. I need for someone to tell me.

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I said, is that is he
Tyler Cardio? Someone at least tell

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me that. If you can't tell
me who it is, tell me if

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that's Tyler Cardio. And it's like, we don't know, we'll talk to

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you. You need to just go
back to the light. And I was

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like, I'm not going to leave
here until somebody tells me who that is.

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And a cop put his hands up
and he was like motioning me to

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go back, and he dropped something
and I swear it fell in slow motion

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and it was the loudest drop and
look and there was an ID face up

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with my son, So of course
I was like, who is that?

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Why do you have its ID?
And I'm like, somebody tell me something,

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and they kept telling me to go
back, and I'm like, I'm

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not leaving. I started screaming,
I'm crying, and then a detective said,

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okay, yes, that is Tyler. He has been shot and he

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has not survived. And I don't
really remember a whole lot from that point

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because I dropped to the ground.
I remember that because the crisis response came

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running to me and they're trying to
help me up and try to give me

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water, and I'm crying. I'm
hysterical, I'm been shot. I don't

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believe it. I don't understand,
and they're like, you need to go

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back. We'll come talk to you. And I was like, where was

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he shot? And the guy sit
in the chest and it didn't make sense.

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So I go back and then they
say a detectives on his way and

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I'm standing there and I'm hysterical,
standing behind a stupid barricade while my child's

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on the floor. And I made
a couple of calls to family. When

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I called my grandma and she's like, marry Christ and his baby, and

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I'm like, Grandma, and I'm
hysterical. She's like, what's wrong,

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and I was like, it's tie. He was shot and she's like where

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is he? Is he at the
hospital and I'm like, no, Grandma,

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he didn't live. He's dead,
and she just drops the phone.

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And I had to make some of
these calls. And I, of course,

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I didn't want to It's Christmas.
I didn't want to be ruining everybody's

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Christmas. But I need to tell
these people. I needed to tell my

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family, and it was horrible.
It was so horrible. So at eleven

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o'clock, I'm sitting on the side
of the road and the christis response when

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he's trying to help me and talk
to me, and I'm just like,

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get away from me. I don't
want anybody talking to me. And I'm

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waiting for my younger son to call
me or text me. Now, I

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had just gotten him his phone that
night at Christmas, and I didn't program

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his number in my phone because he
was using my phone a lot to talk

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with his friends, so I didn't
want him to happen to see in my

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phone Matthew and give away that I
had just got him a phone for Christmas,

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so I didn't program it. I
was like, I'll do it later,

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so I didn't have his new number
in my phone as I'm standing on

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the side of the road, and
when I left, I had told him

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text your brother to ask him where
he's at. See if he repl to

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you. So I'm sitting there waiting. It's one o'clock. The detective fund

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that comes and takes me back to
a little command center in the van,

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and I'm across the street from where
my son's at and I go on the

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span and he starts with the questions, is your son in the game?

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No? Is he in the drugs? No? And this other cop was

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like, I think it's going to
be drug related. No, my son

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isn't into that. He's like,
that's what all the parents say, and

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then they're shocked when they find out
that it's drug related. I was like,

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that is not what happened. My
son is not on drugs. And

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he's like, Okay, calm down, we'll just have to see. He

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was real jerk about it and it
got me mad. So I'm answering the

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detective questions and he's like, who
could have done this? I have no

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idea. Did you have enemies?
Absolutely not? And he was just asking

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you the questions and I was giving
him these answers, but he just kept

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looking at me and he's like,
so you don't have any idea who would

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have done this? I'm like,
no, are you close with your son?

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I'm like, I'm very close.
Do you know what he was wearing?

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And I described every single thing that
he was wearing, and he's like,

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to be have anything on him?
I'm like, he would have had

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his headphones, his phone, and
his wallet, and he kept his wallet

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on his left side pocket of his
pants and he kept his phone in his

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earbuds. I would tell him,
and that's where they were. And he's

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like, do you know what was
in his wallet? I had everything down.

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I was only off by three dollars
on the amount of money that was

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in his wallet. So he's like, you do know your son? I

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do. And he's like, Okay, go back behind the line, let

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me see what's going on. I'm
like, you know what it could have

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happened? I'm like, do you
know anything? And he's like, you

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don't know anything. We just got
a call that there was a man with

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a gun. I was like what. I'm like, who you know?

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What? Time? I didn't know
anything about this. I'm asking these questions.

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She's like, I can't give any
information right now because I can't jeopardize

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the paint. And I'm like,
that is my child. I need some

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information. So I go back behind
the line and I'm so irritated and sad,

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and then shock and it's three o'clock
and finally my son called me.

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He's like, Hi, Mom,
guess what TI read my message? Isn't

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that great? And I just stayed
quiet because you know, on androids,

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when you send a message, it'll
say red. So that's what he got

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on his phone was red. And
he was like, isn't that great?

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And obviously not. And I was
like, oh my gosh. I'm like

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Mark is going to come and get
you. I need you to get in

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the car with him, because Tie's
friends also showed up. Two of his

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best friends since they started school together
showed up with their parents, so the

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parents drove Mark back to our apartment, brought my son, and went back

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over there and he got out of
the van and we're the only people on

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the street because it's all blocked off, and he's like, mom, wears

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tie and he's looking around and I'm
just like, come here, and he's

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like, no, where's tie?
And I start crying. He's like,

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Mom, where is he? I
was like, oh, honey, he

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was shot. He's like, well, hospitals be at let's go now.

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And I'm hysterical. I'm like,
baby, he died and he just dropped

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on the ground two instead of crying. So we were there crying on the

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side of the road at three o'clock
in the afternoon, went on Christmas and

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there's a crowd for me, and
people are back and forth trying to see

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people are looking over the wall to
see what's going on, and we just

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sat there. And luckily they had
removed Hi's body five minutes before he called

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me at three o'clock, and I
feel like that was probably meant to be,

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so that he didn't show up and
see that his brother was laying underneath

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that blanket on the side of the
road, so they had taken him.

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And then my son came and we
sat there and we cried, and I

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called their father, and he came
with their parents and they were crying.

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Everybody was crying. And then his
parents were like, maybe it's not him.

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Had you have proved did you see
him? I'm like no, but

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they have his idea it's him.
And they kept trying to argue with me,

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and I wasn't in trying to have
any of that at that moment,

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and so I just started yelling,
I just want everybody to leave me alone.

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So they did. More of his
friends came. Three more friends came,

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so there was five total, and
about forty five minutes later, two

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more came and they all sat there
with us on the side of the road,

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and they hadn't blocked off still because
they were trying to clean up where

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my son was. So the guy
finally cleans up and pulled his truck down

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and stretched driving towards the barricade,
and then he gets out and I'm like,

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can I go over there? And
he's like, go ahead, and

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I just went running. I went
running to where he was, and of

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course it was horrible because there was
a big pool of blood that my son

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was laying in, and it was
just all the blood was there, and

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I sat in it I felt like
I dropped. I was sitting in it.

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I was crying, and I just
stayed there until a cop was like,

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we're going to have to open the
street. And I just sat there

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crying, and his brother was crying
on the side of the road, and

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we just sat there. Then they
opened the street, and the first car

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that ran over the blood spot,
my son, Matthew, was like duh.

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He started yelling, you're running over
my brother. It was horrible.

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I hadn't try to keep it together
to help him when I was losing my

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mind. So we lived there.
It was about eleven o'clock and all of

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a sudden, the lady was like
hey, and I turned around and she

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was leaning over the wall from her
backyard because it faced the streets that my

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son was on, and she's like
here, and she gave me a candle

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and a little bear. I was
like, thank you. So I put

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the candle by this tree and the
bear by the tree, which is maybe

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seven to ten feet from where on
the road where my son was at.

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As parents, it's easy for us
to overlook the shortcomings of our children.

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We raise them to be strong and
we love them unconditionally, and sometimes it

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can be easy to overlook their kindness, thoughtfulness, and the traits that make

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them special. Sometimes it takes perspective
from others to realize the positive effect our

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children have on the lives of other
people. After Tyler's death, strangers would

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come forward and share stories with Monique
about how kind Tyler was to them.

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We'll take a final break and be
back. So we just sat there.

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I was crying, and then this
guy and his mom came and they had

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candles, and he's like, I
just wanted to tell you I'm sorry,

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and my mom wants to stay sorry
too. We didn't know your son,

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but we always talked to him and
saw him every time we'd go into Circle

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K. And this guy's like,
your son was cool. Every time I'd

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walk in, he'd already have my
cigarettes ready, he had everything I needed

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ready. You already knew I'm really
going to miss him. And I was

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like, thank you. You know. The mom was like, I'm so

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sorry, and she hugged me and
she was crying. And then more people

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have started coming and next thing,
I know, that whole entire tree at

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forty nine candles outside of it from
people bringing them and all strangers. Nobody

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that we knew, so we didn't
go home until after midnight. We spent

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all of Christmas on the side of
a road, and of course I didn't

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sleep. My son cried himself to
sleep. I just laid there and shocked,

407
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.319
crying. And the next day we
had to start the funeral talk and

408
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.039
I'm still out of it. My
grandma came, She's like, let me

409
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:22.680
help you. And I wasn't even
paying attention. I didn't know what was

410
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:27.839
happening. And we left to the
store and we came back and that was

411
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.680
a man and two new people that
had already set up their cameras and everything

412
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.440
at the bottom of our stairs and
they were just standing there waiting, and

413
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.319
I pulled into the spot with my
grandma and they're like, are you Monek

414
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:42.880
And I was like yeah. They're
like, we'd like to talk to you

415
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.480
about your son. So of course
I did it because I wanted to put

416
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.079
it out there. I wanted someone
to tell me if they knew anything,

417
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:53.319
because they didn't have any suspects at
that point. So yes, I'll talk

418
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.039
to you, and we did the
interview. They said it was going to

419
00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:02.119
air that night. They left,
and my sons came and said, look,

420
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:07.519
at this thing online that I saw
and then said man found dead on

421
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.759
the side of the road. Man
hadn't been shot. The man is unidentified,

422
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.119
and he wasn't a man. He
was my baby. So I emailed

423
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.920
the lady who did the story and
I said, Hi, my name is

424
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.519
Moni Cartiel, and that man that
you keep referring to wasn't a man.

425
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.119
He was eighteen. He was my
son. He was my baby, and

426
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.200
his name was Tyler. And she
replied, we need to check to make

427
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.000
sure this is that. These are
facts. They're facts. I'm his mom.

428
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.519
And then she's like, would you
like to do an interview? I

429
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.400
said yes, and she said,
okay, I'll get in contact with you

430
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:42.079
in a little bit. This was
through email. I said, okay,

431
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.720
We left to the story. We
came back and there was another news crews

432
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.440
sitting out here. I did about
three or four interviews that night and just

433
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:55.799
trying to get the word out what
happened and please somebody just with anything.

434
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.039
That's pretty much how it went over. That whole weekend was interviewed and just

435
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.240
everything was a messing made sense.
I don't know. It was horrible,

436
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:11.240
and especially to happen on a day
as special as Christmas, and I had

437
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.200
friends this year asked me, what
are you going to do for Christmas?

438
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.440
And you know what, I don't
do anything anymore because I was really close

439
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.400
with my grandmother. I mean my
entire life, I was close with her.

440
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.079
I really loved her a lot.
Even as a grown man. I

441
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.079
used to call her and ask her
for her advice on different topics. Yeah,

442
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:36.279
and she passed away in two fifteen. I believe December the fifteenth.

443
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:41.359
I just knew it was some time
right before Christmas. So my Christmas of

444
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.680
two thousand and fifteen involved me doing
the funeral planning and me serving as a

445
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.000
pallbearer for my grandmother. And that's
kind of how I spent the Christmas holiday

446
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.519
that year. And like I said, this was in two fifteen, and

447
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.839
since then, I really haven't thought
too much about Christma. I just treated

448
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.680
as another day. I mean,
I celebrate it from my grandson, but

449
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:08.599
for me personally, I don't think
about it too much. Yeah. Yeah,

450
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.319
it's just how I feel. And
I'll go to my grave probably never

451
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:17.400
really caring about it too much.
Because every time I think about Christmas,

452
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:22.920
I think about my grandmother passing away
right before Christmas and me being her pall

453
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:29.440
bearer. So I know you had
a more traumatic experience because your son died

454
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.799
on Christmas Day. So I'm not
sure how you would feel about Christmas.

455
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.160
But if you weren't celebrating it or
thought didn't think much of it, I

456
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.799
certainly could understand it. Well.
My aunt and I both feel the same

457
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:48.400
way. Regarding my aunt, she's
my grandmother's daughter, So yeah, we

458
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.759
both don't like Christmas. We both
dislike Christmas. So so when you lose

459
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.400
a loved one and you're bearing that
person around that time, that holiday just

460
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:03.400
really doesn't mean a whole lot to
you anymore. And I hope that you

461
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.119
maybe don't feel that way because you
have another son, but you might feel

462
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:15.519
that way too, Or he might
even feel that way that Christmas just isn't

463
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.839
the same anymore. The meaning of
it is just changed. Yeah, he

464
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.039
knows. He says it's not the
same, and he gets worried because he's

465
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.880
like, I get excited to open
presents, but then I feel so bad

466
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.160
because I'm excited to open them,
but that's when my brother was killed.

467
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.759
I'm like, it's okay to be
excited. You can still enjoy things.

468
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.920
You're supposed to do. He would
want you to, I said, But

469
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.119
as for me, you don't mind
me if you know I'm crying. I'm

470
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.480
sad because I can't hold this in. I can't hide it, I can't

471
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.160
pretend. So I'm going to be
crying a lot and probably forever. On

472
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.200
Christmas. Yes, and it's been
what three years? Two years, justice

473
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.039
past Christmas? Two years? It's
hard to tell because it's right there on

474
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:01.799
New Year's draft. So after your
son passed away, tell me more about

475
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:06.799
the details. He said that when
he spoke to his co worker, this

476
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:14.039
co worker said that he wasn't there
when she arrived. What was that all

477
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:21.319
about? So I went to his
job the next day and spoke with the

478
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.279
manager, Christine. I was like, I need to know what happened,

479
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.519
because this is what happened on my
end and what people told me. And

480
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:34.759
I'm confused as to how this girl
came to work, but my son wasn't

481
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.880
here when she got here. And
then she said, oh, that's not

482
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.200
the girl that's always late. The
girl that was supposed to be here called

483
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.279
out. So I had called this
other girl to come and take her plate,

484
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.440
and she was like, I was
still here, and then I told

485
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.720
Tiler to go home because he had
to work all those hours and he needed

486
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:58.359
sleep, so I told him to
go home. I would stay here and

487
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.400
wait until this other person that was
going to come in and cover that girl's

488
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.279
shift. I was like, Oh, that makes sense. And then she's

489
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.440
like, we have no idea what
it was they questioned us. They were

490
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.680
asking us for information about customers and
if we had your information, and I

491
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.240
was like, when was this and
she was like about seven o'clock in the

492
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.000
morning. I was like, so
you knew at seven o'clock in the morning

493
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.880
that my son was dead and she's
like, yeah, they were already here

494
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:29.359
before seven. And I was upset
because she knew. I didn't know.

495
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.079
I didn't know until it wasn't confirmed
until eleven o'clock, so I was upset.

496
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.680
I'm assuming that law enforcement probably asked
her not to say anything. I'm

497
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.319
sure they wanted to be the one
that told you about your son. I

498
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.279
think that's how that works. But
see, they never called me, and

499
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.400
they never came over to let me
know that my son is dead on the

500
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.359
side of the road. Nobody contacted
me. I found out because I went

501
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:58.319
looking for my son that was at
home and it was abnormal. That's how

502
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.279
I found out. Yeah, what
a way to find out. And I'm

503
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.680
guessing that you still live in the
area, so you probably drive past that

504
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.519
crime scene all the time. Yeah. I still live in the apartment because

505
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.880
I can't see myself to move because
this is the last place that he lived.

506
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.280
So for now, I'm not ready
to move. You may feel differently

507
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.039
after your son gets justice, then
you can close that chapter in your life

508
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.639
and start focusing on healing from the
loss of your son. Until Timothy Bell

509
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.320
is locked up and the key is
thrown away, you'll still have to deal

510
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.639
with the stress of seeing him in
court and have him to listen to him

511
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:44.000
or his attorneys give a sob story
about how his life's difficulties should keep him

512
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:49.000
out of prison. So tell me
about the investigation into Tyler's homicide. Well,

513
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.760
it dragged out for probably a whole
week. I was getting no answers

514
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.440
and was getting irritated because it would
talk to him and they say, Okay,

515
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.599
we'll give you a call. Do
you have any questions for And I'm

516
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.239
like, yes, was it a
white man and a black man? We

517
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:06.719
can't tell you? Was it more? Than one. We can't tell you.

518
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.760
Where was he at when you guys
found him. We can't tell you.

519
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.079
I'm like, what way was he
facing? We can't tell you.

520
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.039
I was like, don't ask me
if I have questions, if you're not

521
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.400
going to answer my questions. That's
how it was for that whole week.

522
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.960
I could call and we're on it. We're doing what we can because it

523
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.679
knew no, there's not And it
was irritating because they weren't telling me anything.

524
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.239
So I'm a distraught mom whose son
just died and they're not telling anything.

525
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.719
So I'm going to take this on
myself. So I start walking the

526
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.880
streets at night. From eleven o'clock
at night until seventy eight in the morning.

527
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.280
I would just walk and see these
homeless people and ask questions. She'll

528
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.159
pictures, ask if anybody knew anything, and I ran into a lot of

529
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.719
them. One lady saw my son
on the ground, This homeless lady,

530
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:59.199
she said that she saw him and
the cups had just arrived, and so

531
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.960
she saw him on the ground.
And another person was like, we heard

532
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.239
the gunshots and we jumped over the
wall and then we saw this guy running.

533
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.519
We were just telling me all this
stuff. So then I would call

534
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.559
the detective and I'm like, okay, I heard it. They saw some

535
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.920
guy run and that he was a
white man with black hair. And then

536
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.159
he's like, thank you, we'll
look into it. But he just founded

537
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.519
whatever. And I was like,
this could be something. They saw it,

538
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.880
and he's like, we'll look into
it. So it was nothing,

539
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:28.159
and I would call and I would
be like, okay, how about this

540
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.719
person. People in this area said
that there's this guy named Frankenstein. He's

541
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.559
got a Frankenstein tattoo on his cheek
and that he runs the streets and if

542
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.039
anybody knew anything would be him.
And then they're like, okay, we'll

543
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:43.920
look into it. I was getting
irritated because I was getting nowhere, and

544
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:49.079
then we had a press conference at
the police station, where as soon as

545
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.800
I got there, they lit a
picture over and said do you know who

546
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.719
this is? And it was a
black man that I had never seen in

547
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.719
my life. I had no idea. I'd just stare at the picture and

548
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:01.159
I looked at them and they're like, who is it. I'm like I

549
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.920
don't know. They're like you've never
seen him. No, They're like,

550
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:06.719
is your son? Friends? With
him. I'm like, no, I

551
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.760
don't know him, and they're like, okay, this is who we believe.

552
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.559
Give me the suspect. And I
was like, why, we can't

553
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.639
tell you, and they're like,
we're gonna do the news conference. We're

554
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.639
gonna put the picture and the video
of this man out and we'll see what

555
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.800
happens. So we go into a
room, all the newspaper are there,

556
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.559
and the sergeant starts telling the story
and then brings me up to talk and

557
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:36.000
they released the pictures and the video
and all the people start asking me questions

558
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.079
and I broke down and I was
crying. So a couple of days,

559
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:45.760
I'm by. I was getting messages
from everybody around here on Facebook, on

560
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:53.719
the text message email of just all
these black people they believe could be this

561
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.639
guy in this picture. And the
pictures weren't that great, so it's hard.

562
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.119
It was hard to even know who
you're looking for. Oh, it

563
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:06.079
just continues. And then that day
it just happened to run into this lady.

564
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.639
I was like, excuse me,
do you know anything about this boy

565
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.480
he was killed dunk Smith And she's
like, oh, he's the one that

566
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:14.679
they think the suspect. That black
eye. I was like, yes,

567
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.519
She's like, what I do know
is we saw the pictures because they were

568
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.679
posted all over the stores on here. We saw the picture of that man

569
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:30.079
in the purple sweater and we think
that on the twenty third he robbed and

570
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.159
tried to kill a guy. I
was like, what where And she's like,

571
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.920
at circle pre right here on eighty
third Avenue in Indian School. It

572
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.360
wasn't throwing my son worked out,
so I was like, at what time?

573
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.920
Tell me everything. She's like,
it was almost one thirty in the

574
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:49.599
morning. We were outside and her
daughter does drug and they were out there

575
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.960
with people that did drugs. So
they're out there at Subust stop doing these

576
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.760
drugs and she says she's standing there
and she hears yelling and she looks over

577
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.119
and she just sees this black man
in a purple sweater on top of this

578
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:08.360
young looking white male and he's got
a gun and he's screaming and said,

579
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.400
next thing she knew, employees were
coming out yelling hey, and this guy

580
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.280
got up and ran north towards the
direction of my son's circle. Okay,

581
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.760
And that was the first time they
had seen him. And when the cops

582
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.280
pulled up too. She said everybody
took off because they all had drugs,

583
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.760
so they left. I was like, thank you so much. So then

584
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.400
I emailed the detective and I'm sure
he was tired of hearing my stories,

585
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.400
and I'm like, this is what
I heard, and I taped it all

586
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.880
out exactly how she told me that
this guy was on top of him and

587
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.199
he had a gun and then he
ran. I sent it. One minute

588
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:45.280
later, he's like, Monique's detective
still, I guess. He's like,

589
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.039
can you meet me today down here
at the office. I was like,

590
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.000
yeah, but what time? And
he's like, come an hour. So

591
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.639
I go down there and he takes
me into a room and then he says,

592
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.760
what I'm going to tell you need
you to not say anything. I

593
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.440
know how you've been this past week, and I know you're trying to find

594
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.000
out what you can and you're doing
everything you can, but I need you

595
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.440
to not do that and let us
do our job. And I'm gonna tell

596
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:19.400
you this in confidence that you're not
gonna spread it around at all. And

597
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.800
I was okay, and he's like, we've arrested him. I was like

598
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.360
what. I start crying and he's
like, we actually arrested him ways ago.

599
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:30.199
I was like, why didn't you
tell me? I've made so many

600
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.360
calls to him those three or four
days, asking questions, and he never

601
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.039
went even said they had anything.
He's like, I needed to not tell

602
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:45.159
you because we didn't want the news
to find out and then be bombarded with

603
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.199
news media at the hospital. I'm
off the hospital. He's like, he

604
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.000
tried to kill himself. I was
like what. He's like, yes,

605
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.400
he shot himself from the head.
He survived, but he shot his eye

606
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.440
out. And then I was crying. I was like, why did he

607
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.800
shoot myself? And then he showed
me the picture of the guy the mud

608
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.199
shot with his eye covered, and
I'm just scared at it. As he's

609
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:13.599
telling me what this I tells him, which is he was having a bad

610
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.000
night because it was so cold.
It was like thirty nine or something and

611
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.480
he couldn't get warm, and he
was walking down the neighborhood and he was

612
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.480
so tired, and he started to
sleep somewhere, and just as he fell

613
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.760
asleep, it started to rain a
little bit, not really hard. I

614
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.480
mean we're in Arizona, so it's
not hard rain. And I guess that

615
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.480
enraged him because it was already cold, and now there's harder falling. So

616
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.280
he said that he became enraged.
He was tired of being homeless, tired

617
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.480
of sleeping on the street, tired
of being out in the cold, and

618
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:49.559
he wanted to take it out on
somebody. And it could have been anyone,

619
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.519
and it just happened to be my
son that walked up on his way

620
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.760
home. And he said that the
man shot the gun. He didn't know

621
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.599
how many times he had shot my
son, but he knew he pulled the

622
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.639
trigger more than once. So when
I went to the funeral home, that

623
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.559
was when I found out my son
was shot four times and once in the

624
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.519
back of the head. You know, I would tell me anything from the

625
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.440
beginning, just everything was kept.
Had I solved this case myself, do

626
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.079
you think about it? I got
this information and the story that the lady

627
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.840
told me was right, and that's
why he told me to come down.

628
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:27.400
So Bell ended up being the guy
who attempted to kill the nineteen year old

629
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.360
at the other circle. K.
He then managed to get away and would

630
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.079
then kill your son days later.
Is that correct? Yeah? On the

631
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.480
twenty third, he asked this young
kid who was nineteen years old. He

632
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.360
asked to do have any money,
and this kid said no, I'm sorry,

633
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.440
I don't. And he was sitting
in his car and he had a

634
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.519
gun in the console and he saw
that. This guy looked at his gun,

635
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.719
then looked at him, and then
he just go for the gun and

636
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.199
this kid tried to wrestle with him, and then Timnitsy Bell, the man

637
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.079
ended up being on top of this
kid. He said he put the gun

638
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.000
underneath his mouth, his chin and
put the trigger that he said f you,

639
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.800
and then pulled the trigger. But
because it wasn't holstered, he didn't

640
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.119
have one in the chamber, and
that's the only reason why he was alive.

641
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.639
And so when he had pulled the
trigger, that's when everyone came out.

642
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.840
And then you could hear the police
the sirens, and that's when he

643
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.599
got up and ran. Now did
they know who he was after this happened?

644
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.800
Did anyone know that it was Timothy
Bell at the time? Oh?

645
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.639
Wow, they just knew who this
guy. They knew because when they got

646
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.000
the call that somebody tried to commit
suicide and it was downtown, he had

647
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.119
left the whole area. I guess
he was laying based down ground shooking.

648
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:45.599
A runner that was just running underneath
this little bypass area downtown saw him and

649
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:50.199
all this blood and called the cop
and so they take him to his hospital.

650
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.960
They picked the gun, and I
guess they took the gun downtown to

651
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.880
run test. Another sergeant that had
been off all week because of all.

652
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.880
They came in and said, when
he was getting briefed on everything, he's

653
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.920
like, this sounds like it's the
guy that was on eighty third Avenue in

654
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.199
Indian School that tried to kill the
kid. And it was. And then

655
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.559
they said that they have found out
his name was Tim, but they didn't

656
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:20.119
anything that was just from a homeless
person. This guy said he didn't get

657
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.440
serious because it was somebody on drugs. He was homeless and rambling, but

658
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.199
he didn't take it serious. But
if he would have, I don't know

659
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.880
if that even would have made a
difference. But I don't know. I

660
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.119
feel like they probably wouldn't even have
caught this man. If this guy didn't

661
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.400
try to kill himself. That's the
only reason why they caught him. Yeah,

662
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:44.320
and it's too bad they didn't capture
him after he attempted to kill this

663
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.320
other guy, because had they captured
him then and put him in jail.

664
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.239
Then your son would probably still be
alive today. Yes, so after all

665
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.360
this, haddn't The mother of that
kid contacted me and she still checks on

666
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:01.599
me often, and she said that
her and her husband went down to the

667
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:04.960
Circle Kate because their son calls and
the cops for him, and he was

668
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.280
scared, and the mom and dad
were both like, are you going to

669
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.599
go find this guy? He went
this way, and the cops told them,

670
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.119
no, We'll just let him do
whatever and he'll come back out.

671
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.119
He's homeless, he's gotten nowhere to
go. We'll get him. So they

672
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.320
didn't even attempt to go looking for
this guy at all. So after Bell

673
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:30.480
survives his suicide attempt, is he
arrested immediately after. Yeah, he's finally

674
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.719
out of surgery. He's going to
be released, and I guess they had

675
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.440
cops down the thought outside the rooms
that he wasn't going to go anywhere.

676
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:42.440
But then they officially arrest him and
it's at the hospital and he charged with

677
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.519
second degree murder and he was on
probasial. He got in trouble for having

678
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:52.800
the gun a prohibited weapon, and
an armed robbery from taking the gun from

679
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.519
the other kid, and so he's
got these charges and everything starting to come

680
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:02.079
into place, and it all starts
to make sense. And then he's looked

681
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.719
into the Fourth Avenue jail and then
I get the phone call, and then

682
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.800
they want my email so they could
send you some paperwork about him being a

683
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:14.360
resident. And then I get a
paper that says that he's been charged with

684
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:19.159
first degree premeditated murder. And they
did that because he in his own words,

685
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.119
he said, rage made me shoot
someone. It could have been anyone.

686
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.840
And he saw my son coming,
so he stood where he was and

687
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.599
waited, and my son got close
and he said hey, and my son

688
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.960
had his headphones on and he didn't
hear. And then the guy waved his

689
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.599
hand and said hey. Emerson said
hello, and this guy, I said

690
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:44.159
hey, what's up? And my
son said what's up? And the guy

691
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.199
just pulled off the gun and start
shooting him. So that was the encounter.

692
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.199
There was no reason rage made him
shoot someone. That's what he tells

693
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.280
everybody that pushtions him. At all
the reports and all the notes that I

694
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.840
have from the cops, that's rage
made me shoot someone. I saw in

695
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.960
an article that he was supposed to
have gone on trial last November, So

696
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:06.840
tell me about that. Did he
go on trial last November? There's not

697
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.079
even been a trial. Weird at
the very beginning, we've been going to

698
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.719
court for about a year now.
Every other month there's court, like a

699
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.800
case management. It's like less than
five minute. They just go in and

700
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.599
say what motions are firing and this
and that, and then they're like,

701
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:23.639
okay, we'll set a date,
and they set a date and then that's

702
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.800
it. Always less than five minutes. So you're still waiting for a trial

703
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:32.199
date. Yeah, that's because that's
a death county case in Arizona. They're

704
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:38.880
supposed to have two lawyers, so
we had to wait for one lawyer and

705
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.519
then we had to set off all
these court dates to wait for another one.

706
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.920
And then they do this interview process
where a judge asks all these questions

707
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.800
to these lawyers and they answer,
and then the judge determines if these lawyers

708
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:57.159
are capable of handling a capital case. And so there was six months that

709
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.360
we just waited with all these questions
about these lawyers. I mean, they

710
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.960
got to but we will finding him
making a lid of the progress and his

711
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.760
denying getting evaluated for his mental health. He wouldn't do it. He kept

712
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:15.000
refusing, and then all of a
sudden, two months ago, he decides

713
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:22.239
they're gonna plead in. Sanny and
his lawyers came in and said, we've

714
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:27.360
already seen two doctors and we have
their report saying that he is incompetent of

715
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.280
being able to stand trial. And
the judge is like, you can't do

716
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:35.320
that. We have to assign these
doctors. You can't just take it upon

717
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:40.679
yourself. So they were getting folded
by the judge. And now the second

718
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.000
lawyer is withdrawing from the case because
he's going to move. So now we

719
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:51.280
have to wait two more months for
another court date to interview another lawyer to

720
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.360
be his second lawyer. So we're
rewinding, we're going back. It must

721
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:59.119
be really frustrating for you. It
is. The detective said that it's hopp

722
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.440
going to be a year after two
years, and if there is a trial,

723
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:06.719
I'm assuming that you will be attending. I've been at every single court

724
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.360
date this man has, even the
ones that he doesn't appear at because he

725
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.559
receives this transport. I've been every
single one. I'm going to go to

726
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.719
every single one. I have been
on this since the day my son was

727
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:21.679
killed, I had no problem talking
to any of these people that were scary

728
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.880
or questionable all hours of the night. I did not care. If I

729
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:29.159
could places with him, I would
do it in a heartbeat. There isn't

730
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.280
anything that I wouldn't have done for
him and that I won't do for him.

731
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.559
So I'll be there no matter what
happens. I'm going to be there.

732
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.199
There isn't anything that's going to keep
me from it. I don't blame

733
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.320
you. I would definitely show up
for court. Also, now, is

734
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.639
there a Facebook page set up in
your son's honor or one dedicated to his

735
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.440
case? I have a Facebook,
he has his own, but I don't

736
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.320
know how to turn it into the
memorial thing. I tried to follow the

737
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.280
step and it doesn't come up right
on my phone, so I don't know.

738
00:49:55.639 --> 00:50:00.280
But that's another thing. That Christmas
night, I wrote this story.

739
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.719
I don't know if you saw it
on Facebook, and I titled it Justice

740
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.679
from my Son, and it had
picturesque it told the story and it blew

741
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:14.360
up. Then the news thing showed
all of a sudden. It was my

742
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.800
phone was being and I would just
keep refreshing, and it was getting shared

743
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:22.920
and shared got shared ninety. I'm
sure there are a lot of people out

744
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.800
there who want to see your son
get justice. The world truly lost a

745
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:31.039
fine young man way too early.
Yeah. His life hadn't even started yet.

746
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.880
As far as I'm concerned, he
was still a baby because he didn't

747
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.760
have any life experience. Yeah,
and in looking back, you had said

748
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:44.719
that you never wanted him to work
at the circle K. I'm guessing it's

749
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.119
in the back of your mind that
this may not have happened had he worked

750
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.679
somewhere else. As a parent,
I'm sure that this thought has kept you

751
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.400
up at night. Yeah. And
of course none of this is your fault

752
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.159
or even your sons. He just
wanted to work and save money or a

753
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.679
truck. And I'm sure you've heard
the word clos you're mentioned. Unfortunately,

754
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.199
there is no such thing. You
just learn to live with the loss of

755
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.519
your loved one and that's it.
You don't have a choice. All you

756
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.519
can do is try to carry on
and heal from the loss. You and

757
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:21.559
your other son can lean on each
other and support one another and getting through

758
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.800
Tyler's death. Yeah, I don't
think it will and I don't expect it

759
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:29.559
to he was my world and he's
gone even worse. The animal who killed

760
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.639
your son is still alive and hasn't
paid for what he did to Tyler,

761
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.639
and you may not be getting a
resolution anytime soon, so this will probably

762
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:43.000
live in your mind rent free for
a while. So there was a court

763
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.199
date yesterday and now I am completely
stuffed out because two months ago they wanted

764
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:52.159
to tea insanity because they're saying he
had schizophrenia. But now do the whole

765
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:58.119
he's inconstant thing because of the physical
damage to his head, his brain when

766
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.079
he shot himself. And so now
I'm married because that is a problem.

767
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:05.320
It's real. He did do a
lot of damage to himself. So now

768
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:09.320
I'm scared that you know that he
won't be found competent, and then all

769
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.480
this research I've done, it says
that if they are found incompetent and not

770
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:20.360
able to be restored, then they
can't get charged with anything. And if

771
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.840
they find him mentally incompetent to stand
trial, he could spend some time in

772
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.159
a mental facility. Yeah, prosecutor
said that he would go to a hospital

773
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:34.480
and stay there for an amount of
time until he's rehabilitated enough to be put

774
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:38.239
back out with society, and that
just makes no sense. So he's going

775
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:42.719
to be found incompetent when he purposely
killed my kid, and he even said

776
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.840
it in his own worth, and
you're going to release him, And then

777
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:51.440
what if within a year he kills
someone else if he was already deemed incompetent

778
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.960
because of my son's case, if
he's just going to be incompetent all the

779
00:52:54.000 --> 00:53:00.000
time, I'm hopeful that your son's
killer receives a stiff prison sentence and spend

780
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.000
the rest of his life in prison
without any chance for parole. So my

781
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.519
last question that I would have for
you is what would need to happen to

782
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:13.199
Timothy Bell for you to feel like
your son received justice. He needs to

783
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.599
be in prison for the rest of
his life. If they decided to give

784
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:21.360
him the death penalty, I wouldn't
be opposed to it, But what I

785
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.480
want is for him to just be
in jail prison. He told the cops

786
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:30.239
he's shot himself because it would either
shoot yourself or the rest of your life

787
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.280
in prison, and that's not what
he wanted. So I want him to

788
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.000
live in prison forever, to always
just know why he's there. And I

789
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.000
don't want him to die necessarily because
from a parent, anybody that hurts your

790
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.280
child, you'd want to kill them. But I think that would be what

791
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.199
he wanted and it would be too
easy for him. And I feel like

792
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:53.639
he survived his own attempt at suicide. I feel like that was for a

793
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:58.960
reason. That was because he killed
my son. He wasn't going to just

794
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.760
get away with death and not to
have any kind of consequences. I just

795
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.440
don't want him to be free because
I know that at some point he's going

796
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:13.199
to hurt someone again. He's got
a criminal history and he doesn't care.

797
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.079
He attempted to kill this kid before
he tried to kill my kid, So

798
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.679
this guy shouldn't be out at all. And if I could keep him in

799
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.960
prison for the rest of his life
and keep another family from having to have

800
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.280
this kind of encounter with him and
save them from this kind of pain that

801
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.840
I'm going through, then I will
do it. I will do whatever I

802
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.480
have to do because I wouldn't wish
the feelings that I have from the loss

803
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:42.360
of my son on anybody, not
even my worst enemy. And that concludes

804
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.599
the story of Tyler Cardial. He
was an innocent young man who did nothing

805
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.760
but work so that he could save
his money and buy a truck. He

806
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.239
enjoyed playing video games and wanted to
attend college. He was close to his

807
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.960
family and friends. He had no
criminal record or substance abuse or alcohol issu

808
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:04.440
she's Unfortunately, he would never live
to see his dreams become a reality.

809
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.079
Instead of spending Christmas Day opening gifts
with his mother and younger brother, he

810
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:14.000
would be killed while walking home from
Mark. For now, Monique Cardiel and

811
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.840
Tyler's younger brother both continue to wait
for justice and fear that kill or Timothy

812
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.199
Bell may not face justice. If
you have any information about this case or

813
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.960
Timothy Bell that you would like to
share with law enforcement, you can contact

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