Episode 166: Tyler Cardiel (Part 1 of 2)

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Hello, and welcome to the Catch
My Killer podcast. Thank you for listening.

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My name is Mark. Since twenty
fifteen, I've written a weekly newspaper

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column about true crimes and unsolved commicides
for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.

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Tyler Cardial was an eighteen year old
young man who was considered a good guy

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who was loved by his family and
friends. Tyler was a kind of person

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any parent would love to have as
a son. He lived in Arizona,

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enjoyed video games with his buddies,
and played on attending college. He worked

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at a local circle K store and
worked many hours to save up money for

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a truck. According to his mother, Monique, he had saved several thousands

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of dollars towards his truck. On
Christmas Day twenty twenty, while walking home

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from work, he was shot and
killed by an every homeless man seeking a

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victim. This is the first part
of a two part story. Be sure

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to listen to next week's conclusion.
Tyler Cardiel was an eighteen year old young

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man who was considered kind and friendly. He was someone who didn't have a

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criminal background, any known enemies,
or any alcohol or drug issues. His

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mother said that he hated the Arizona
heat and spent much of his time indoors

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playing video games with his friends when
he wasn't working. Tyler had plans on

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attending college. He lived with his
mother, Monique, and his younger brother.

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Tyler was able to find a job
at a circle K near his home.

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He was scheduled to work on Christmas
Eve and then get off Christmas Day,

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go home and spend time with his
family, and then return to work

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to Christmas shift. So Christmas morning, Tyler's mother and brother were waiting at

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their apartment for Tyler to arrive home
so they could open Christmas presents. Unfortunately,

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Tyler never made it home. His
mother began frantically calling around trying to

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find her son. Monique Cardio,
Tyler's mother never wanted her son to work

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at that circle k. She was
fearful that something might happen to him.

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She had told the local media source
that it was Tyler's first Christmas away from

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home. She remembered asking him if
he really had to go to work on

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Christmas. He told his mother that
he had already agreed to go to work

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and needed to go, but before
leaving on Christmas eve. He gave his

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mother a hug and reassured her that
he'd be back home later to open Christmas

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gifts. When he didn't return home, Monique went out looking for her son.

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She followed the path that he would
take home, only to discover Phoenix

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police officers near her son's job.
They had cordon off a street and put

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up crime scene tape. Monique saw
a dead body covered with a blue blanket.

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Her gut instinct told her that this
was probably her son. Monique would

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find out that someone had murdered her
son. As he had walked home from

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work, someone had shot him to
death. Law enforcement later learned that a

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young man was assaulted and nearly killed
at another circle K two days prior to

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Tyler's death. The attacker had stolen
this young man's gun. The police found

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out that there was a connection between
that attack and Tyler's death. The same

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man who had assaulted this other young
man was the same man who had killed

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Tyler. It was a homeless man
named Timothy Bell. He had shot Tyler

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to death with a nine millimeter glock. His motivation he was angry about being

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homeless and decided that he was going
to take it out on someone. Unfortunately,

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that's someone just happened to be Tyler
as he walked past Bell on that

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Christmas morning. Bell would eventually be
captured after a failed suicide attempt where he

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shot himself in the head. Although
he survived, he lost an eye.

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Belle's trial was supposed to start last
year, but hasn't. His legal strategy

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is that he suffered immense brain damage
in his suicide attempt and isn't mentally competent

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to stand trial today. Tyler Cardial's
family is still waiting for justice. Bell

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has not gone on trial yet.
A Monique Cardial is fearful that her son's

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killer won't face justice. And now
on with the story of Tyler Cardial,

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as told by his mother, Monique
Cardial. So tell me about your son.

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What kind of a young man was
he? Well, he was born

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April sixth, two thousand and two. He was my firstborn child, my

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first son. I was a stay
at home mom, so I took care

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of him until he went to kindergarten. So we were close because it was

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just me and him during the day. His dad worked and supported us.

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He just was a good kid,
a good baby. He potty trained himself.

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He only had two chipocs when he
had chicken pox. He never he

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never cried. I didn't have to
yell at him. He wasn't one of

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those kids at the store where you
hear screaming and they're running around like crazy.

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That wasn't him. He would just
sit in the cart and just look

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around. He was just quiet and
so good. And so he didn't like

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kindergarten at the public school. I
think it was just too much for him

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because there was like six kindergarten classes
that all packed full and he would get

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lost. So as kindergarten, we
had moved to Louvine, Arizona, and

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there was a little it's called Country
Gardens. It's little school, but it's

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from kindergarten through twelfth grade. So
it was ripped by our house and I

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thought it's cute, let's try it. And that's where he went from first

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grade until he graduated. So he
got to go to the same school.

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Yeah. Yeah, my boys did
the same thing. They had an elementary

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school that went from kindergarten to third
grade, and then after leaving third grade

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they would go to a school with
a combination of junior high, middle school,

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and high school. It went from
fourth to twelfth It was pretty good

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for them because they got to grow
up with the same kids and maintain those

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friendships from kindergarten all the way into
the twelfth grade. Yeah. Yeah,

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that's exactly what happened with my son. He was friends with everybody. There

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were some loner kids that weren't as
whole as the other kids, but my

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son was their friend. I would
go to the school sometimes for my other

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son, and I would see Tyler
at the table with these kids that are

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just by themselves, and then he
would also be friends with the cooler kids.

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He didn't dislike anybody, and nobody
had any problems with him. He

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had never been in a fight,
He'd never talked back to me. He's

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always so respectful, and he wasn't
into games, drugs, alcohol. He

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had no kind of criminal record,
never any rent ins with the police.

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He just was seriously a good kid. It sounds like he was a pretty

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good kid. Now. Has the
family always lived in Arizona? Yes,

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so Arizona was all your son knew. It was all he knew. He

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didn't really care for it much because
it was so hot when he was younger.

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All throughout high school, he was
always saying, I'm going to move

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to Alaska. I'm always going to
move to Alaska. That's all I heard.

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And in high school he had gotten
into games on Xbox and so a

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lot of his friends all got Xbox
so they can all play together. So

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that what kept him, I think
as a good kid because he just stayed

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home. He did not like to
go outside. He hated the heat.

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He would have laid back. He
didn't like crowds, he didn't like attention.

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He definitely didn't like drama. He
was just so amazing and I just

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can't stop staying in that. But
I don't know. We would go on

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we would call them dates because he
was seven and he's like, is it

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a date. I would pick him
up early from school and we would go

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to lynch In a movie just so
we had this one on one time.

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Because his brother had been born,
so Tyler was the oldest. Right,

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you've got two sons and he's the
oldest. Yeah, he was the oldest,

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my firstborn. He was just so
good. And my other son,

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Matthew, who's now thirteen, is
the complete opposite of Tyler. Like he

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likes to go outside, he likes
to be loud, he should do everything

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Tyler didn't like to do. It's
funny about kids, isn't it. I

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mean, you can have two or
three kids. I grew up in the

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same house, eat the same food, have the same parents, the same

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rules. Pretty much everything in the
house is basically the same, and for

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some reason, all the kids will
turn out to be completely different. One

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might be outgoing and the other one
just likes to be home. It's interesting

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how that works. Yea, So
tell me about what kind of grades to

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Tyler Makon's school. Was he a
good student? Yes, he had AS

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and b's. He was on honor
roll from his junior year, authroughout junior

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year, and AU throughout senior year
for two years state he was on a

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roll. He didn't really like school. He was a typical teenager, but

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he did good. His grades showed
that he was doing what he needed to

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do. Now, what about sports? Did he do football or wrestling or

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anything? No? When I say
he hated the heat, he hated the

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heat like he didn't want to go
outside at all. He would change his

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clothes if he got sweaty, like
he just did not like the heat.

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So he was just a gamer then, yes, yeah, my kids did

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the same thing. I think they
still do. I remember them just playing

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on these different games with all their
buddies, and my dad did as well.

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I've never been into video games,
or I was when I was a

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kid, but not so much anymore. I have no interest in it,

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but I can understand why people do
enjoy playing those games though. Yeah,

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I mean I get it. Playing
video games this pretty cool. I mean

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it's something that you can do with
your family and friends and it brings people

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together, so that is a pretty
good thing. Yeah, Now what did

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he want to do after he got
out of high school? He wanted to

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go to college. He didn't know
exactly for what. He was going to

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spit with the basics, the general
courses and then go from there. And

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because I had told him to hold
off until we found out how COVID was

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gonna play out back, then he's
okay, and then he said, well,

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I'm going to get a job.
And then I was like okay.

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He's like, I want to get
a cart So I was like okay.

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So he got a job. Like
this next day he's like, mom,

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I have an interview at circle K
And I was like what. And I

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immediately when he said circle k.
I was like, I don't like that,

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and he's like why. I'm like, you're gonna get robbed. There's

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crazy people you never know. Like, I didn't like it at all,

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And we had little discussions about probably
treat him like a baby and that he's

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not a baby anymore. So I
was like okay, and he's going to

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work the day shift. So I
was like, okay, I feel a

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little bit better. Everything will be
okay. It'll be fine. Now.

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For anyone that's not familiar with what
a circle k is, can you tell

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me what that is. It's a
convenient store with the gas station. It's

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like the real popular one here.
And how old was your son when he

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got that job? Who was eighteen? So why did he want to work

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there? A lot of kids work
at department stores, or they work at

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restaurants. Why did he want to
work at a convenience store, because,

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like you said, they are dangerous. I don't really think he thought about

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it like that. He just wanted
a job that wouldn't fast food. And

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he had a friend that was also
a student at the same school and he

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was going he was working at QT. So I'm not sure, but I'm

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thinking they talked about that and that
probably what helped Sun makes the decision to

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go to a circle. Kay I
told him I could Chad make some calls

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and have some of my friends help
you get a job. He's like,

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no, I want to work at
says Okay. He didn't even want my

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help. He wanted to do it
on his own. And all way him.

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I was proud of him. I
was proud that he making his choices

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and they were good choices, and
I wanted to support him, especially because

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he was telling me I'd treat him
like a baby. So it went well.

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He started in September that year,
was this September twenty okay, September

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twenty twenty. He would just work. He was working the day shift and

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every day he had two days off, and he liked it. He loved

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it, and he was making some
money, and he was excited for the

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money he was making because it was
like fifteen dollars and it wasn't made him

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a wage and it wasn't fast food. And to be fine, he liked

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it. And about a week after
he started, he came home and he's

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like, Mom, you were right
about the people being weird, and we

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live in a bad part of town, and the people that are around here

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now are all using fence and all
just everywhere, And I guess he finally

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he's like the real life, real
world where all these people were just on

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the street doing drugs and passed out
everywhere, and it scared me. I

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didn't. I don't what parent wants
their child in that kind of environment,

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Like I was trying his whole life
to protect him and keep him from the

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drugs. That's why when he started
gaming, I had no problem with it

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because my kid was going to be
home and inside safe and I knew where

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he was. So for him,
the one would get a job on his

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own, but it was a lot
because he didn't like to go out,

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so he worked. He liked it, and then towards the end of November,

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he was like, Mom, I
think I wanted truck, and so

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I was like a truck. So
we were going back and forth. I'm

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like, you should start with a
car because he hadn't even he didn't have

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his license yet. He'd never wanted
to even learn how to drive because he

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didn't want to leave. And that's
what he had always said when he was

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sixteen, I'll take an uber I'll
just take a lift. But once he

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was eighteen and all his friends started
getting jobs and having cars then, and

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he was just like, I want
a truck. Sure, a lot of

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young guys that's what they like.
They like those trucks. Yes. So

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when I was like, okay,
save the money, and he's like,

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I have money saved, and then
he told me that he had saved about

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six thousand dollars just in two months. And I couldn't even believe it.

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He hadn't spent hardly any of the
money that he had made. He saved

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it all. And being a gamer
too, I was thinking he was going

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to be buying all this gaming stuff. He didn't. He just saved his

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money. And then they started allowed
him to cover shifts because someone didn't show

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up. So for about a month
he didn't have any days off. He

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was just working every single day.
And then they changed his schedule and it

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was ten pm to six am,
and he didn't tell me. So I

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went to wait him up, thinking
he was going to be working in the

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day and he had just went to
bed and he's like, no, I

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don't work until tonight. And I
was like tonight at what time? And

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he said ten o'clock. I'm working
from ten to six at least for this

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week. And I was terrified,
instantly terrified, and we were going at

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it again because I'm like, I
don't like this. I don't want to

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be there by yourself all night.
I was so scared, and so of

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course, who starts again. Don't
cheat me like a baby, Let me

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do my thing. So it's like
I could have made him not work there.

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So against everything that I felt and
thought, I said okay, and

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it worked out. And then we
didn't have a vehicle. His father and

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I had split up and it wasn't
a good split up, and he took

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both of our vehicles and left me
with some messing. Well, I didn't

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have a vehicle at that point in
time. So he would get a ride

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to work from a friend and then
he would take a lift home sometimes when

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his co workers would bring him home, and sometimes he would walk. I

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had bought him a bus pass because
I did not want him walking, and

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I was like, so are you
taking the bus? He's like yeah,

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but he wasn't taking the bus.
I had caught him walking. Yeah,

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And this wasn't a bad neighborhood,
right, Is that what she said,

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yeah, this whole area isn't good
at all. I never have problems and

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I don't see anything crazy other than
people using drugs here and there. But

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it was worse still what I had
thought. So a week went by,

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two, three weeks, and then
I'm like, I thought you were going

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to only work this shift for a
week. He's like, but they don't

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have anybody at night, and I
get paid a little bit more because I'm

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working at night, and he's like, I love it, it's fine.

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I was like, I'm just scared
if something's gonna happen too, if you

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get robbed, And then he says, nothing's gonna happen to me. I've

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already been robbed, and I was
like what. He's like, yeah,

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I'm like when he's like, I'm
always robbed and it was. He said

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it was at least ten times that
he had been robbed and that the procedure

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was just go in the back room, let them do whatever, and then

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come out when they're gone. I
guess that's what he did. And I

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was like, what if sometime someone
comes in and they have a gun and

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he's like, they won't. They're
just all these people on drugs. I

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just want cigarettes an alcohol, And
I was like, you don't know.

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He's like, I'm fine, but
there, I'm fine. So I didn't

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like it. Everything was fine other
than the part that it was overnight at

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the store in our area, and
I didn't like it. I mean,

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everything was also going good. So
it was about the twentieth of December when

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he had picked out the truck that
he wanted, and by this time he

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had about seventy eight hundred dollars saved
and he had only been working from September

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through December. That was all he
worked, and he had all that money

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saved. So I was like,
okay, so I'll start calling insurance places

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to find out because you need to
know all these things. So he said

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okay, and then I told him
when I found out the insurance was going

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to range from three hundred to six
hundred dollars. He's like, okay,

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I'll just work some extra overtime.
And then I was like, you don't

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have to work more overtime year already
working. Just keep saving. He's like

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it's okay, because they need people
this week. And I was like,

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oh my gosh. So I was
like okay. So then he's like they're

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going to put me the schedule,
but I won't know until Thursday night.

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That's when the schedules came out,
which would have been Christmas Eve. So

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he left our house at nine thirty
and as soon as you get to work,

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it was ten or five. He
texts me and showed me the picture

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of the schedule. He worked at
Christmas Eve from ten am to six am.

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Then he was going to come home
and go back to work at noon

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on Christmas Day and work until seven
am the next day. He was going

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to cover three shifts so these three
people can be at home for Christmas.

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So he was taking all the ship
and I text him, I'm like,

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oh, you're not going to be
here for our Christmas dinner and he's like,

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no, but I'm about to make
some good ass money. And he

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was just so happy and excited,
and it made me sad. And you

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celebrate at midnight on Christmas, and
so he wasn't going to be with this,

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and this one was the first time
in his whole life that I mean

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night, he wasn't going to be
there doing the things that we do.

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Christmas is a time for families.
For the Cardial household, they always spent

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Christmas Eve and Christmas Day together.
Monique did not want her son to go

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to work. She didn't feel right
about him going to work on that day.

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However, he was an adult,
so she kept her reservations to herself.

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Little did she know that when he
would walk out the door on Christmas

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Eve, she would never see her
son again. Who will pause for a

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moment and be right back with Monique
sharing her thoughts about the final moments that

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she spent with her son Tyler.
So I'm a parent. I was sad.

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I was tired of him, but
really sat and so he was just

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getting ready for work Christmas Eve.
I was in my room wrapping some presents

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that I had got him and his
brother, and he knocked the door and

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told me he was going to get
ready to go, and I said okay.

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So he went in the bathroom and
did his hair and came out and

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brought his food from dinner and went
in the kitchen and he was standing there

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by the trash, Karen in the
sink, and then he's like, I'll

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see you later. And I was
in the hallway. I was like,

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what do you mean, And he's
like, I gotta go to work.

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I'm gonna'd say it. You're just
gonna say, you know, I'll see

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you later. I like, it's
Christmas. Do you have to go?

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He's like, I have to.
I'm on the schedule. He's like,

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mother, it'll be fine. I'm
just going to work. I'll be home.

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And I don't know, I don't
know what it was. I just

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don't feel right, and so I
started to cry and he came over to

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me and he's like, Mom,
i'll be fine. I'll be home after

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work, and then he gave me
a hug. And when he normally left

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for work, he never hugged me. It was like in passing he's like,

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okay, leaving, and sometimes I
was at home, so it wasn't

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like an everyday thing where he'd hugged
me goodbye. But that night he hugged

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me and he like held on for
ten seconds, twenty seconds, and then

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he left and when he got to
the door, he's like, i'll text

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you later with my schedule. And
then his brother goes, oh, tye,

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he's gonna miss Christmas. And he's
like, it'll be fine, I'm

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home tomorrow, and his little brother
got up and ran over and gave him

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a hug and I just remember that. He gave us both hugs and then

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he left and he texted me at
work the schedule, and I was sad,

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and he's like, I'll be home, and I told him, how

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about if I get you a lift
in the morning, even though it's not

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even a full mile walk, just
so he can get home faster since he

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was going to only be able to
sleep for like less than six five hours.

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So he's like, no, because
I can't leave until the other employee

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comes in and she's always late.
They don't call a list because what if

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I can't even sitting here waiting.
So I was like, okay, so

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call me then, and he's like, I'll get home because the manager,

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Christine, she also gets off.
She comes in for a few hours,

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then she gets off. When I
get off, she'll give me a ride

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home. And he was like,
I'm not even worried about him, but

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they're I'm fine. So I'm like, okay, just call me in the

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morning before you leave, and he's
like okay, so open present. And

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then you know, I text him
Merry Christmas, Honey, I wish you

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were here. I love you,
replied back to me that they loved me,

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and then he told me he might
have to stay till six thirty.

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He doesn't know for sure, and
so I was like, okay, well,

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he's like, I have a ride
home, and I was like,

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are you sure, and he said
yeah. I said, I just want

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you to get home so you can
get some rest, because you'd have a

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long day ahead of you. So
he got off that six and because he

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was gone for the open presents at
midnight, his brother and I had moved

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the Christmas tree into his bedroom right
by the door, so right when he

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would open the door, he'd be
blocked by the Christmas tree and all of

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his presence. And then we hung
up lights in his room and we were

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just excited and we were hanging up
lights and putting the tree in there,

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and then I started cleaning. I
get his laundry and wiped everything down,

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took out his trash it was all
clean, and put his presents out.

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And so I unplugged the tree and
went to bed about three o'clock in the

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morning and set my alarm for six
twenty so that I could wake up and

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then plug the lights in and be
here when he got home so I could

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watch him open his presence and I
was sleeping and I jumped up, and

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it's that feeling you get when you're
like, oh, my gosh, I

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overslept. I slept through my alarm, and your heart's pounding and your in

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a panic, and that's what happened. I jumped up, and I was

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like looking everywhere in the dark for
my phone because I thought I had slept

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through my alarm and that I didn't
get to see him open his presence.

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And then I looked at my phone
and it was sixteen, and I was

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like, oh, I'm just a
few minutes before it's going to go off,

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and he's not home. I'm good. So I got out of bed,

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and as I was walking to his
room, my legs were shaking,

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but at the time I didn't think
anything of it because I slept with my

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window open and it was cold,
and so I'm trembling as I'm putting the

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lights on and getting things ready.
And so six thirty comes and he's not

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here, and so I'm like,
okay, he said he might have to

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stay till six thirty. So then
I went in my room and I just

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stayed in my room. My door
opened, and he didn't come home.

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Finally, I get up seven ten, and I'm like, okay, if

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he was going to stay till six
thirty, he would be home. It

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was like twenty to twenty five minute
walk at the most. So I got

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out, checked his room, nothing, went in the living room, walked

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around nothing, and I grabbed my
phone and I was like, okay,

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where are you? How can we
not here? Because we have been having

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those discussions about him being treated like
a baby and he didn't like it.

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So I was like, okay,
I'm not going to start bomb him yet

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with calls and text messages. I'm
going to give him some space. He's

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going to be here. Never in
my mind did I think anything is going

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to happen. Never, nothing,
So expecting my son to just come home,

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I wasn't worried at that point.
So with seven fifteen twenty and I'm

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just pacing and I don't normally pace, but I was just pacing the apartment

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because we're in an apartment. And
finally, like seven thirty, I'm like,

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all right, something is wrong.
And when he is late because he

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has to work because this girl doesn't
come in on time, he has texted

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me and said I'm gonna be a
little late. So I hadn't gotten a

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text or a call and at seven
thirty and so I'm like, okay,

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something's wrong. So I text him, Hey, Son, where are you?

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Nothing? Seven forty I text him
again, I'm like, are you

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still working? Are you going to
still work from new until the next day?

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Like you need to get home to
get sleep? And then nothing.

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It's about seven fifty I called and
nothing. So I was like, okay,

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maybe he's busy. But my heart
was just pounding and I don't know

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what it was, but something just
made me go and take a shower,

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and I had my phone in this
shower and it was just weird. It

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was off. Everything was off that
morning. So I'm getting ready and I'm

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doing it fast. It's almost like
my body or my soul knew something's about

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to go down. Get ready.
It was weird. So I got out.

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I didn't get all maked up in
hair like I normally would. I

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just got myself together and by then
it was about eight thirty almost, and

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so I text him again. I'm
like, where are you? You need

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to get home and then I put
hello and the question marks and I'm like,

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TI, where are you? And
nothing, And then I call and

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it went to voice him out and
I called and called it. It was

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a voicemail, and I'm like,
what is happening? So I call his

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job. The girl answers and I'm
like, hello, it's Tyler there.

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Like no, I'm like, do
you know when he left? She's like,

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I have no idea? And I
was like, are you sure?

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She's like yeah. And it didn't
make sense to me because this was the

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girl that was late and he couldn't
leave until a shot there, so I

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was confused as to why he wasn't
there when she got there. It didn't

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make sense. She just kept saying
he wasn't here when I got here,

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and she got mad and she hung
up because I was questioning it. I

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didn't make sense to him. I
don't know, so she hung up on

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me. So I was irritated.
Then I started calling my friend and nothing.

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I started calling hospitals. I called
three hospitals. Nobody had heard of

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them. Nobody was brought in with
his description or his name or anything.

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And then this lady like, are
you sure he's just not late? And

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I told her this is hours late. We're just down the street. Something's

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wrong. She's like, have you
called the jail. I was like,

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jail, you don't know my son. She's like, yeah, but you

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never know. I was like,
no, absolutely not. So we hung

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up, and my mind's just spitting
everywhere and that there was nothing to do.

409
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.039
I called them, text them nothing. So I'm like, I'm going

410
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.039
to call them and see if the
jails and see if they had heard anything.

411
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.119
And of course they didn't, and
so I was like, okay,

412
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.240
no hospitals, no jail. He's
not at work, he's not answering our

413
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.640
calls. Something's wrong. So I
woke up my youngest son and told him,

414
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.240
your brother's not home, he's not
at work, he's not answering calls

415
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.880
or text I'm gonna go walk his
route to work, which is just a

416
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.680
straight line, and when I get
there, I'm gonna ask questions because they

417
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.759
said that he wasn't even there when
she got there. And he's like okay,

418
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.200
And I told him, if he
comes in or he calls or replies

419
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.880
to your text messages, you call
me immediately. You tell him to wait,

420
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.519
and he said, okay, mom. So then my boyfriend and I

421
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.680
started to go out to the street. We're an apartment, so we had

422
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.920
to walk a couple of buildings to
the main road, and there's a fire

423
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.559
station right in front of our apartment. And as soon as you get to

424
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.039
the fire station, you'd just make
a left and then you just walk straight

425
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.440
down for less than half a mile. That's where his job is, and

426
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.759
normally and I would go out there. I could see him walking. So

427
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.480
we got to the street and I
made the left, and all I could

428
00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:02.640
see in the distance is a police
bearer kade all these cop cars and the

429
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.599
tape up and they do not pass, and the street closed everything, and

430
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.480
my heart dropped and I started winning. And my boyfriend's like, calm down,

431
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.119
and I was like, that's my
son, and he's like, you

432
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.839
don't know that. I'm like,
it's my son, and we just ran.

433
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.279
When we got to the barricade,
and I just went to the cop

434
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.359
car and I was like, excuse
me, my son hasn't come home and

435
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.519
he walks this street. He should
have been home by six thirty. I

436
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.839
need to know who that is.
Because when we got really close to the

437
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.640
barricade, in the far off distance
at a light, you could see a

438
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:40.599
blue blanket on the ground and I
just knew. And the cop was like

439
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.119
we don't know who it is.
What's your son's name, Tyler Cartio?

440
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.160
And he was looking in the computer
and looking like anything, and he's just

441
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.319
going through screens and I'm watching his
face and his face changes and he's like,

442
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.759
I don't see anything, but let
me get a detective to come over

443
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.359
and talk to you. And I
was like, okay. So I'm standing

444
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:00.680
there waiting seeing and I'm like,
if someone will come. He was like,

445
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.440
someone will come. Hold on,
and I'm Auntie, I want to

446
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.880
know what's happening. Anxieties high,
and I'm starting to get angry, and

447
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.240
I'm like, I need to know
who that is. And he was like,

448
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.480
someone's coming. So I'm standing there. It's forty five minutes. I'm

449
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:18.279
standing there and all of a sudden, a red rand pulls up and it

450
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.559
says being excite apartment and two women
get out of the stand and they're like,

451
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.839
hello, are you more Nique?
I said yes, and she's like,

452
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.440
we're here for you. I was
like what. She's like, we're

453
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.640
some crisis response and we're here for
you. I was like, why are

454
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.799
you here for me? And she's
like, oh, because aren't used the

455
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.759
family of the victim And I was
like, so that's my son, and

456
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.480
she's like, oh, I don't
know who that is. And I'm like,

457
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.880
then, why are you here for
me? So she's like, I

458
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.519
don't know, like she was so
confused. I jumped over the barricade and

459
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.920
ran, and the cop that was
talking to get information he was like dup.

460
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.880
And I just kept running and pretty
soon all the detectives and cops that

461
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.240
were down the road looked over because
he stopped and I'm running. So they

462
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.680
all start saying stop and they start
running towards me, and I make it

463
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.480
all the way to the light called
Glenn Rosa and maybe Third Avenue on the

464
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.319
south side of the light, and
the blue blanket on the ground is on

465
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.880
the north side, and so I'm
standing there and they're like, you need

466
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.359
to go back behind the line,
and I was like, I need someone

467
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.799
to tell me who that is and
they're like, we don't know. I'm

468
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.359
like, I need to know who
that is. I need for someone to

469
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.319
tell me. I said, is
that is he Tyler Cardio? Someone at

470
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.640
least tell me that. If you
can't tell me who it is, tell

471
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.480
me if that's Tyler Cardio. And
it's like, we don't know, we'll

472
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.240
talk to you. You need to
just go back to the light. And

473
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.079
I was like, I'm not going
to leave here until somebody tells me who

474
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:45.039
that is. And a cop put
his hands up and he was like motioning

475
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:51.079
me to go back, and he
dropped something and I swear it fell in

476
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.519
flow motion and it was the loudest
drop, and there was an id face

477
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.559
up with my son. So of
course I was like, who is that?

478
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.200
Why do you have its idea?
And I'm like somebody telling me something.

479
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:05.960
And they kept telling me to go
back, and I'm like, I'm

480
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.680
not leaving. I started screaming,
I'm crying, and then a detective says,

481
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.440
okay, yes, that is Tyler. He has been shot and he

482
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.680
has not survived. And I don't
really remember a whole lot from that point

483
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.400
because I dropped to the ground.
I remember that because the crisis response came

484
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.799
running to me and they're trying to
help me up and try to give me

485
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.640
water, and I'm crying. I'm
hysterical, I'm in shot. I don't

486
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.119
believe it. I don't understand,
and they're like, you need to go

487
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.640
back, we'll come talk to you. And I was like, where was

488
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.799
he shot and the guy sit in
the chest and it didn't make sense.

489
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.960
So I go back and then they
say at detectives on his way. And

490
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:49.279
I'm standing there and I'm hysterical,
standing behind a stupid barricade while my child's

491
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.559
on the floor. And I made
a couple of calls take family. When

492
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.480
I called my grandma, she's like, marry Chris and his baby, and

493
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.839
I'm like, grandma and hysterical.
She's like, that's wrong, and I

494
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.960
was like, it's tie. He
was shot and she's like where is he?

495
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.160
Is he at the hospital and I'm
like, new whole Grandma, he

496
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:13.000
didn't live. He's dead, and
she just dropped the phone. And I

497
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.759
had to make some of these balls. And I, of course I didn't

498
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.720
want to it's Christmas. I didn't
want to be ruining everybody's Christmas. But

499
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.839
I need to tell these people.
I needed to tell my family. And

500
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.920
it was horrible. It was so
horrible. So it's eleven o'clock. I'm

501
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.559
sitting on the side of the road
and the christis responsible. He's trying to

502
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.680
help me and talk to me,
and I'm just like, get away from

503
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.839
me. I don't want anybody talking
to me. And I'm waiting for my

504
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.119
younger son to call me or text
me. Now, I had just gotten

505
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.559
him his phone that night at Christmas, and I didn't program his number in

506
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.240
my phone because he was using my
phone a lot to talk with his friends.

507
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.279
So I didn't want him to happen
to see in my phone Matthew and

508
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.559
give away that I had just got
him a phone for Christmas, so I

509
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:57.079
didn't program it. I was like, I'll do it later. So I

510
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.759
didn't have his new number in my
phone as I'm anything on the side of

511
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.000
the road. And when I left, I had told him text your brother

512
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.319
to ask him where he's at,
see if he applies to you. So

513
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.079
I'm sitting there waiting. It's one
o'clock. The detective fund that comes and

514
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.599
takes me back to a little command
center in the span and I'm across the

515
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.079
street from where my son's at and
I go on the span and parts of

516
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.960
the questions is your son in the
game? No? Is he in the

517
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.960
drugs? No? And this other
cop was like, I think it's going

518
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.880
to be drug related. No,
my son isn't into that. He's like,

519
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:31.920
that's what all the parents say,
and then they're shocked when they find

520
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.400
out that it's drug related. I
was like, that is not what happened.

521
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.159
My son is not on drugs.
And he's like, Okay, calm

522
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.480
down, We'll just have to see. He was a real jerk about it,

523
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.039
and it got me mad. So
I'm answering the detective questions and he's

524
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.079
like, who could have done this? I have no idea. Did you

525
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.079
have enemies? Absolutely not, And
he was just asking me these questions and

526
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.360
I was giving him these answers.
He just kept looking at me and he's

527
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.280
like, so you don't have any
idea who would have done this? I'm

528
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:00.679
like, no, Are you close
with your son? I'm like, I'm

529
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.960
very close. Do you know what
he was wearing? And I described every

530
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.360
single thing that he was wearing,
and he's like, did you have anything

531
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.079
on him? I'm like, he
would have had his headphones, his phone,

532
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:15.079
and his wallet, and he kept
his wallet on his left side pocket

533
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.079
of his pants and he kept his
phone in his earbuds. I would tell

534
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.119
him, and that's where they were. And he's like, do you know

535
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.159
what was in his wallet? I
had everything down. I was only off

536
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.800
by three dollars on the amount of
money that was in his wallet. So

537
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.320
he's like, you do know your
son? I do, and he's like,

538
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.280
okay, go back behind the line. Let me see what's going on.

539
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.039
I'm like, you know what could
have happened. I'm like, do

540
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.840
you know anything? And he's like, you don't know anything. We just

541
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:43.599
got a call that there was some
man with a gun. I was like

542
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.320
what, And I'm like, ohoo, you know what time I didn't know

543
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.119
anything about this. I'm asking these
questions. She's like, I can't give

544
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.639
any information right now because I can't
jeopardize the case. And I'm like,

545
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:58.199
that is my child. I need
some information, So I go back behind

546
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.239
the line. Don't irritate. He
did in dad and in shock and at

547
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:07.239
three o'clock and finally my son called
me. He's like, hi, Mom,

548
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.519
guess what read my message? Isn't
that great? And I just stayed

549
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.000
quiet because you know, on androids, when you send a message, it'll

550
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.599
say red. So that's what he
got on his phone home was read.

551
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.960
And he was like, isn't that
great? And obviously not. And I

552
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.719
was like, oh my gosh.
I'm like Mark is going to come and

553
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.079
get you, and I need you
to get in the car with him.

554
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.480
Because Tati's friends also showed up.
Two of his best friends is they started

555
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.480
school together, showed up with their
parents. So the parents drove Mark back

556
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.760
to our apartment, brought my son
and went back over there. And he

557
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.079
got out of the van and we're
the only people on the street because it's

558
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.239
all blocked off, and he's like, mom, wears Tie and he's looking

559
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.760
around and I'm just like, come
here, and he's like, no,

560
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.280
where's Tie? And I start crying. He's like, Mom, where is

561
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.519
he? I was like, oh, honey, he was shot. He's

562
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.119
like, what hospital is he at? Go now? And I'm hysterical.

563
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:06.000
I'm like, babe, he died. And he just dropped on the ground

564
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:07.679
two instead of crying. So we
were there crying on the side of the

565
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.039
road at three o'clock in the after
he went on Christmas and there's crowd forming

566
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.360
and people were back and forth trying
to see. People are looking over the

567
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:21.320
wall to see what's going on,
and we just sat there and luckily they

568
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.079
had removed Tie's body five minutes before
he called me at three o'clock. And

569
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.519
I feel like that was probably meant
to be, so that he didn't show

570
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.639
up and see that his brother was
laying underneath that blanket on the side of

571
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.760
the road, so they had taken
him. And then my son came and

572
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.159
we sat there and we cried,
and I called their father and he came

573
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.079
with their parents, and they were
crying. Everybody was crying. And then

574
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.880
his parents where like, maybe it's
not him. Had you have proof?

575
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.159
Did you see him? I'm like
no, but they have his idea it's

576
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.719
him. And they kept trying to
argue with me, and I wasn't and

577
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.800
trying to have any of that at
that moment, and so I just started

578
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.039
yelling, I just want everybody to
leave me alone. So they did.

579
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.280
More of his friends came. Three
more friends came, so there was five

580
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.840
total, and about forty five minutes
later, two more came and they all

581
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.320
sat there with us on the side
of the road. And they hadn't blocked

582
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.079
off though, because they were trying
to clean up where my son was.

583
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.360
So the guy I finally cleans up
and pulls his truck down and starts driving

584
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.639
towards the barricade and then he gets
out and I'm like, can I go

585
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.639
over there? And he's like,
go ahead, and I just went running.

586
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.400
I went running to where he was, and of course it was horrible

587
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.480
because there was a big pool of
blood that my son was laying in,

588
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.559
and it was just all the blood
was there, and I sat in it.

589
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.119
I felt like I dropped. I
was sitting in it. I was

590
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.159
crying, and I just stayed there
until a cop was like, we're going

591
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.519
to have to open the street.
And I just sat there crying, and

592
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.199
his brother was crying on the side
of the road, and we just sat

593
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.400
there. Then they opened the street
and the first car that ran over the

594
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:50.480
blood spot, my son, Matthew
was like God. He started yelling,

595
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.519
you're running over my brother. It
was horrible. I hadn't try to keep

596
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:59.760
it together to help him when I
was losing my mind. So we lived

597
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.760
there. It was about eleven a
flock and all of a sudden a lady

598
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.599
was like hey, and I turned
around and she was leaning over the wall

599
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.920
from her backyard because it faced the
streets that my son was on, and

600
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.119
she's like here, and she gave
me a candle and a little bear.

601
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.039
I was like, thank you.
So I put the candle by this tree

602
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.239
and the bear by the tree,
which is maybe seven to ten feet from

603
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.280
where on the road where my son
was at. As parents, it's easy

604
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.519
for us to overlook the shortcomings of
our children. We raise them to be

605
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:36.559
strong, and we love them unconditionally, and sometimes it can be easy to

606
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:42.679
overlook their kindness, thoughtfulness, and
the traits that make them special. Sometimes

607
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:47.719
it takes perspective from others to realize
the positive effect our children have on the

608
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.679
lives of other people. After Tyler's
death, strangers would come forward and share

609
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.000
stories with Monique about how kind Tyler
was to them. We'll take a final

610
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.760
break and be back in a moment
the conclusion of the first part of Tyler's

611
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:22.719
story. So we just sat there. I was crying, and then this

612
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.559
guy and his mother came and they
had candles and he's like, I just

613
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.239
wanted to tell you I'm sorry,
and my mom wants to stay sorry too.

614
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.480
We didn't know your son, but
we always talked to him and saw

615
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.480
him every time we'd go into circle
Kay, and this guy's like, your

616
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:42.920
son was cool. Every time I'd
walk in, he'd already have my cigarettes

617
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.960
ready, he had everything I needed
ready. He already knew I'm really going

618
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.679
to miss him. And I was
like, thank you. You know,

619
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.559
in the moments like I'm so sorry, and she hugged me and she was

620
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.000
crying, and then more people have
started coming and next thing, I know,

621
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.679
the whole entire tree forty nine candles
outside of it from people bringing them.

622
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.480
And it was all strangers, nobody
that we knew. So we didn't

623
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.719
go home until after midnight. We
spent all of Christmas on the side of

624
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.719
a road, and of course I
didn't sleep. My son cried himself to

625
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:21.159
sleep. I just laid there and
shocked, crying. And the next day

626
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.599
we had to start the funeral talk
and I'm still out of it. My

627
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.320
grandma came, She's like, let
me help you. And I wasn't even

628
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.800
paying attention. I didn't know what
was happening. And we left to the

629
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:37.960
store and we came back and that
was a man and two news people that

630
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:42.360
had already set up their cameras and
everything at the bottom of our stairs and

631
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.760
they were just standing there waiting,
and I pulled into the spot with my

632
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.840
grandma and they're like, are you
Monique, And I was like yeah.

633
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.679
They're like, we'd like to talk
to you about your son. So of

634
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.559
course I did it because I wanted
to put it out there. I wanted

635
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.400
someone to tell me if they knew
anything, because they didn't have any suspects

636
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.960
at that point. So yes,
I'll talk to you, and we did

637
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.960
the interview. They said it was
going to air that night. They left

638
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.719
and my sons came and said,
look at this thing online that I saw,

639
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.760
and then said man found dead on
the side of the road. Man

640
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:22.800
hadn't been shot. The man is
identified, and he wasn't a man.

641
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.199
He was my baby. So I
emailed the lady who did the story and

642
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.880
I said, Hi, my name
is Monie Cartiel, and that man that

643
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.320
you keep referring to wasn't a He
was eighteen. He was my son.

644
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.440
He was my baby and his name
was Tyler. And she replied, we

645
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.960
need to check to make sure this
is that. These are facts. They

646
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.639
are facts. I'm his mom.
And then she said would you like to

647
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:46.920
do an interview? I said yes, and she said, okay, I'll

648
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:50.559
get in contact with you in a
little bit. This was through email.

649
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.280
I said, okay, We left
to the story. We came back and

650
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.360
there was another news crews sitting out
here. I did about three or four

651
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.239
interviews that night and just trying to
get the word out what happened and somebody

652
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.119
with anything. Well that's pretty much
how it went over that whole weekend.

653
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.800
It was interviews and just everything was
a mess, messing me. I don't

654
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:14.519
know. It was horrible, and
especially to happen on a day as specialist

655
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.599
Christmas. And I had friends this
year asked me, what are you going

656
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.320
to do for Christmas? And you
know what, I don't do anything anymore

657
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.760
because I was really close with my
grandmother. I mean my entire life,

658
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.360
I was close with her. I
really loved her a lot. Even as

659
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.000
a grown man. I used to
call her and ask her for her advice

660
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:39.599
on different topics. Yeah, she
passed away in twenty fifteen. I believe

661
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:44.920
December the fifteenth. I just know
it was some time right before Christmas.

662
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.960
So my Christmas of two fifteen involved
me doing the funeral planning and me serving

663
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:58.199
as a pallbearer for my grandmother.
And that's kind of how I spent the

664
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.639
Christmas holiday that year. And like
I said, this was in twenty fifteen,

665
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.639
and since then, I really haven't
thought too much about Christmas. I

666
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.639
just think it's another just I just
treated as another day. I mean,

667
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:14.760
I celebrate it from my grandson.
But for me personally, I don't think

668
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.480
about it. Yeah. Yeah,
because every time I think about Christmas,

669
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:24.000
I think about my grandmother passing away
right before Christmas and me being her pall

670
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:30.360
bearer. Yeah. So I know
you had a more traumatic experience because your

671
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:35.119
son died on Christmas Day, So
I'm not sure how you would feel about

672
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.719
Christmas. But if you weren't celebrating
it or thought didn't think much of it,

673
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.840
I certainly can understand. I heard
it. So when you lose a

674
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:50.239
loved one and you're bearing that person
around that time, that holiday just really

675
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.719
doesn't mean a whole lot to you
anymore. And I hope that you maybe

676
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:59.679
don't feel that way because you have
another son, but you might feel that

677
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:05.519
way too, Or he might even
feel that way that Christmas just isn't the

678
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.840
same anymore. Yeah, he knows. He said it's not the same,

679
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.679
and he gets worried because he's like, I get excited to open presents,

680
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.880
but then I feel so bad because
I'm excited to open them, but that's

681
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.840
when my brother was killed. I
don't think it's okay to be excited.

682
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.360
You can still enjoy things you're supposed
to do. He would want you to,

683
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.840
I said, But as for me, you don't mind me if you

684
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.519
know I'm crying. I'm sad because
I can't hold this in. I can't

685
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.599
hide it, I can't pretend.
So I'm going to be crying a lot

686
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.519
and probably forever. On Christmas.
Yes, and it's been what three years?

687
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.719
Two years, justice past Christmas?
Two years? It's hard to tell

688
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.079
because it's right there on New Year's
daft. So after your son passed away,

689
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.360
tell me more about the details.
You said that when he spoke to

690
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:58.920
his co worker, this co worker
said that he wasn't there when she arrived.

691
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:04.480
What was all about? So I
went to his job the next day

692
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.800
and spoke with the manager, Christine. I was like, I need to

693
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:13.639
know what happened, because this is
what happened on my end and what people

694
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.559
told me. And I'm confused as
to how this girl came to work,

695
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.840
but my son wasn't here when she
got here. And then she said,

696
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.840
oh, that's not the girl that's
always late. The girl that was supposed

697
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.440
to be here called out. So
I had called this other girl to come

698
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.119
and take her plate, and she's
like, I was still here. And

699
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.440
then I told Tiler to go home
because he had to work all those hours

700
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.280
and he made it sleep. So
I told him to go home. I

701
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.360
would stay here and wait until this
other person that was going to come in

702
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.679
and cover that girl shift. I
was like, Oh, that makes sense.

703
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.400
And then she's like, we have
no idea what it was. They

704
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.960
questioned us. They were asking us
for information about customers and if we had

705
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.480
your information, and I was like, when was this and she was like

706
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.400
about seven o'clock in the morning.
I was like, so you knew at

707
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.079
seven o'clock in the morning that my
son was dead and she's like, yeah,

708
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:14.199
they were already here before seven.
And I was upset because she knew.

709
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.840
I didn't know. I didn't know
until it wasn't confirmed until eleven o'clock,

710
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.559
so I was upset. I'm assuming
that law enforcement probably asked her not

711
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:28.719
to say anything. I'm sure they
wanted to be the one that told you

712
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.039
about your son. I think that's
how that works. But see, they

713
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.719
never called me, and they never
came over to letting me know that my

714
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.440
son is dead on the side of
the road. Nobody contacted me. I

715
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.119
found out because I went looking for
my son that was at home and it

716
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.039
was abnormal. That's how I found
out. What a way to find out.

717
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.480
And I'm guessing that you still live
in the area, so you probably

718
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.280
drive past that crime scene all the
time. Yeah. I still live in

719
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.400
the apartment because I can't see myself
to move because this is the last place

720
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:05.159
that he lived. So for now, I'm not ready to move. And

721
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.440
that concludes the story of Tyler Cardial. He was an innocent young man who

722
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.760
did nothing but work so that he
could save his money up and buy a

723
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.559
truck. He enjoyed playing video games
and wanted to attend college. He was

724
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.159
close to his family and friends.
He had no criminal record or substance abuse

725
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:28.079
or alcohol issues. Unfortunately, he
would never live to see his dreams become

726
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.920
a reality. Instead of spending Christmas
Day opening gifts with his mother and younger

727
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.840
brother, he would be killed while
walking home from work. For now,

728
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.000
Monique Cardiel and Tyler's younger brother both
continue to wait for justice and fear that

729
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.880
killer Timothy Bell, may not face
justice. If you have any information about

730
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:52.800
this case or Timothy Bell in particular, that you would like to share with

731
00:48:52.920 --> 00:49:00.719
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733
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.000
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734
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